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"If she is rational and honest, she might be able to give you insight into her needs by what she says. Especially if she is young or just plain dumb, probably not though. Body language and non verbal clues are going to give much better insight. "
That's half the problem with women... they expect men to know what they want by picking up on subtle hints instead of just using their words like a big girl.
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"The reason some men start volunteering that they'll do whatever the women wants is that they're getting desperate because so far they haven't met a women that wanted him for what he is."
Women don't generally want men for what they are, they want men for what muscle and fitness magazine and CK ads portray them to be.
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"Just a thought Peter. If I have one complaint in my marriage it's that my husband rarely if ever sets boundries for my behavior.
It would be logical to say he shouldn't have too, but the reality is most couples set their boundries of behavior in their other half, it's part and parcel to a marraige contract.
Perhaps this woman needed someone who set strong boundries and enforced them. "
But if he had set boundaries she would have felt trapped, and accused him of rule with an iron fist.
In this day of feminist-dominated consciousness, how can you blame a man who is unwilling or unable to set boundaries on his super-liberated female companion?
The fact is that there's nothing a man can do to make his female partner happy. She has to choose to be happy with the way things are.
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"He was giving what they say they want. This is a bad idea. What they say they want is often totally irrational or reasonable. Perhaps it is (subconsciously and) intentionally irrational to test if the guy is ready to intervene against crazyness. "
Exactly, it's always a fucking mind game with women. The man is just trying to be happy, and make his partner happy, but the woman is always trying to test her partner in an insidious manner. No wonder there are so many girls going around with so few guys. The only guys who get the average girl are the ones who out-manipulate them.
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What women like is *objective*. Don't listen to them. Don't listen to whatever subjective preference they are spouting off out of their mouth. Women want a strong man. They want confidence. Ignore them if they are telling you they just want a nice guy or whatever. "
I definately think it's *subjective* because what a woman wants in a man changes based on what that man is giving her. If she wants a chocolate cake, and the man brings a chocolate cake, she will undoubtedly have changed her mind and wanted white cake, and of course, she will give the man the cold shoulder for the rest of the day and never tell him why she is upset, or if she deigns to clue him in, she will not accept an apology, nor will she accept his replacement of the cake with a white cake.
Maybe this is the reason for the old order: "Women are meant to be seen, not heard."
Only by absolute dominance can a man ever make a woman happy, or atleast appear to be happy. Otherwise it's up to her to make herself happy.
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"IT TOTALLY TURNED ME OFF. Him telling me he was going to succumb to my wishes ... blech. Honestly. It turned me off. "
of course it did, because deep down you loathe yourself and want a man to loathe you more than you loathe yourself so that you can feel better about yourself by contrast. You want a love-hate relationship, not a loving relationship. And I don't mean you personally, I mean the universal you, as in anyone who feels that way. If a good man ever succeeded in avoiding your nice-dar, and establish a firm relationship with you you'd probably contemplate suicide, and barring that you'd spend the rest of your relationship trying to repel the man. But the problem is that the man would be spending the rest of the relationship trying to fix whatever problem you were presenting him, believing himself to be the cause of the problem, which of course, is exactly what you'd be telling him.
Some women make me sick.
But some women are so great when they get past all that nonsense, and they start thinking about how they can make their partner happy instead.
