Fight amongst yourselves - I'm outa here!

Started by Tigerman, May 28, 2009, 05:39 AM

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davis2ab


On the one hand, you complaint about preaching to the already converted. On the other hand, you complain about bickering amongst ourselves.   One of my biggest complaints about females is that you cannot ever please them.  No matter what you do they are going to complain. If you work too much, that is bad. If you don't work enough, that is bad. Many examples can be given like this.  I wish females would just let men be men and stop all the complaining.

Where am I going with this? I think your complaints sound like a woman complaining. This is why your complaints irritate me. There is always going to be some bickering. There is also value to "preaching to the choir."  The nature of human relationships whether in the real world or cyber world is some amount of agreement of interest and some amount of conflict.

Stop the complaining is my attitude. Actually, I started spending most of my time on DGM until it closed because it seemed more vibrant. There was more lively discussion. There was more volume of discussion. I think this forum needs more conflict not less.  Conflict is not necessarily a bad thing -- it is the life blood of all human interaction. When people come together, there are going to be conflicts. Why even have a discussion forum other than as a place for ideas to clash? In some instances, everybody agrees and that quickly gets boring. People then push the edges until conflict is found again.

I must admit that I am not familiar with particular conflicts on this board  because I not intimately enough involved. However, I have not seen much if any dysfunctional conflict. Again, you sound like a woman. Endless complaints about "abuse," etc. Jesus Christ. Whatever happened to "sticks and stones" .... Go ahead call me a jerk or an ass hole or whatever. I don't care. You know what I'll go out have a beer with you within hours of you calling me an ass hole or whatever. That is the male way.  Conflict and then let it go. The female way is to complain endlessly about everything and never  let it go. Blah. Blah. Blah. I am sorry if I offend you forever  but again I think your complaints sound female like.


Cordell Walker

damn I got to do it


nobody wants you around dirt.
you gonna cry
want a whah burger with them french cries
how bout a whineken
run on ya lil sissy boy
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"how can you kill women and children?"---private joker
"Easy, ya just dont lead em as much" ---Animal Mother

CaptDMO



DEF LEAPORD SUX
:greener: :laughing6:

OT,
Oooooo yer gonna' get a smackdown for those "crawlies" (move). ;-)

Cordell Walker

joe dirt rocked the coolest mullet this side of billy ray cyrus, man
"how can you kill women and children?"---private joker
"Easy, ya just dont lead em as much" ---Animal Mother

SouthernGuy

1. Good God, what a bunch of pantywaists. If you're going to quit posting somewhere, don't start a thread about it, just stop posting and go the hell away.

2. Gonz has it nailed with the left wing idiots. You guys are essentially worthless and ineffectual to the movement anyways. Good riddance...

Cordell Walker

Im declaring jihad and  hijackin this thread
this is now the official mullet express
"how can you kill women and children?"---private joker
"Easy, ya just dont lead em as much" ---Animal Mother

SouthernGuy


Im declaring jihad and  hijackin this thread
this is now the official mullet express


Trolling?

Cordell Walker

"how can you kill women and children?"---private joker
"Easy, ya just dont lead em as much" ---Animal Mother

CaptDMO


1. Good God, what a bunch of pantywaists. If you're going to quit posting somewhere, don't start a thread about it, just stop posting and go the hell away.

2. Gonz has it nailed with the left wing idiots. You guys are essentially worthless and ineffectual to the movement anyways. Good riddance...

That's the way it seems to go with many of the successful  contestants for the
"Another one bites the dust" forum.

I nominate unsuccessful Socialist/Communist  recruiter Andrew Usher, for seeking out dupes by inferring political simpatico amongst the aggrieved.     

Kinda' like cult leaders, eternally fishing for new co-optable assets.

I could be wrong of course.     

Andrew Usher

It seems this thread has really degenerated.

The Gonzman


It seems this thread has really degenerated.


Yeah, I noticed that at 08:40:58 PM EST.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

The Invisible Male

This article perfectly describes Gonzman:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/532829/online_forum_etiquette_how_to_deal.html

Online Forum Etiquette: How to Deal with a Forum Bully
January 23, 2008 by Will Wright   

If you've ever spent any time in an online forum, you've undoubtedly encountered certain individuals who abuse their status within the forum. I'm not talking about forum trolls. They're easy to spot - and just as easy to dismiss. But rather, a different kind of malicious entity - the forum bully.

The Nature of Forums
Online forums are no different than any other group formed by people throughout human history. There are leaders, followers, outsiders. For convenience, you can look at a forum as kingdom. There's usually a king and a queen, a prince and princess, court jesters, members of the nobility, wise old advisors and outsiders. While an online forum is a trivial kingdom, remember that people defend their kingdoms, no matter how small. It could be an office, a playground, a seat at the table, or a forum.

Troll or Bully?
In many ways, I have more respect for a troll than a forum bully. At least a troll is direct. If you pick up a snake, and it bites you, whose fault is that? The snake was just doing what it does. It's the same with trolls. Their intentions are obvious - they're in the forum to disrupt and cause trouble. They arrive with all the subtlety of a jet on a landing strip.

Forum bullies are harder to spot. They disguise their intentions. But make no mistake. When you encounter one, you will know - because their bite is equally malicious and just as full of venom.

What is a Forum Bully?
A forum bully is school ground throwback. Remember that middle school bully with his pathetic little band of sycophantic followers? That's a forum bully. In ways the forum bully is just a pseudonym for a troll, but with a major difference. While the troll's behavior is condemned by the group, the forum bully's actions are condoned by the group. Established members of the group, who don't agree with the forum bully, usually remain quiet while the bully tears apart people just for sport and as a demonstration of power within the forum.

Basically a forum bully is the equivalent of a popular troll -- a troll with power within the group. And therein lies the danger. Picture that popular girl in high school who takes pride in belittling others less popular. Then toss in a few of her friends, along for the ride, who derive their own sense of power by picking up her table scraps, and you have an accurate picture of a forum bully.

Evolution of a Forum Bully
Forum bullies are typically intelligent. They usually begin as helpful members of the forum. But as their power grows, their true nature reveals itself. Once established, forum bullies begin mixing their helpful posts with intimidation. As they evolve, and develop a reputation, they attract followers. The followers serve as back up, often times speaking on behalf of the bully to clarify the forum bully's statements. Other times the followers are like a pack of hyenas jumping in for the kill after the bully has drawn blood.

As the forum bully fully evolves, she begins to feel immune to attack. She states her opinion regardless of accuracy or consequence, knowing full well that she can always rely on the support of followers to bail her out of trouble.

Enablers
The danger of a forum bully is two-fold. In one respect, the forum bully makes the other respected members of the forum appear hypocritical to an outsider. When the forum bully spouts her own brand of nonsense, when the forum bully tears apart other forum members for no reason other than because she can, it makes other members of the forum look bad - simply because the very behavior a troll is ostracized for, is the exact same behavior permitted to the forum bully. The double standard so created reeks of hypocrisy and undermines the legitimacy of everyone who does not call the forum bully out for her repugnant behavior.

The forum bully is not stupid. The bully will never attack other respected members of the forum. She will also mix her attacks between those who genuinely deserve being attacked, and those she attacks for fun. After all, the only way a forum bully stays in business is with the consent of the other members of the forum. And she knows the fine line between being labeled a troll and being called blunt or to the point.

The other danger of a forum bully is that she creates an atmosphere of fear within the forum - not fear among the established members, but rather fear among those outsiders who want to participate in the forum. It is this fear that enables the forum bully to operate. A forum operates on the classic in-group/out-group dynamic. The bully's behavior is tolerated because of an understanding of this dynamic. You don't attack those within the inner circle, only those outside it.

If one of the respected members of the forum were to call the bully what she is, a petty, repugnant fraction of a human being, this member risks losing position within the forum. The resulting forum is a place in which comments are guarded. Politics are played. And the free flow of information is stifled. This is the true danger of allowing a forum bully to continue her activities. By not calling her out, the forum loses part of the dynamic it was created to foster. The forum bully also undermines the legitimacy of everyone else in the forum.

How to Spot a Forum Bully
The key is in the comments. Look at how most forum members reply to comments. Most are polite. They may disagree but they do so with a level of respect for the opinions of others, unless those opinions are genuinely ludicrous. The forum bully does not respect anyone but herself. She respects the power of others in the group, but nothing else. Everyone is beneath her. Her comments are made without regard to the feelings of anyone but herself. And if she is wrong, she cannot admit it. To do so would undermine her power. While others in the group will add prefaces to their comments or phrase their comments in the form of suggestions, the forum bully will tell others what to do, like a master issuing orders to slaves. When called on this approach, the forum bully's followers will claim the bully is just being blunt. After all the bully is the source of all truth, and their own sense of power.

What to do When Attacked by a Forum Bully
Unfortunately if you are an outsider, there's not much you can do. To attack the bully often will cause the more established members of the forum to close ranks and dispel the outsider. There's a certain logic in this. As an outsider, you've yet to prove whether you're worth defending - especially against an established member of the forum.

If you're a semi-established member of the forum, you stand a better chance. But know that politically, most people will not back you up because to do so risks losing position within the forum - in short, it's bad politics.

If you are a prominent member, you have nothing to worry about. The forum bully derives her power from her standing within the group and will not jeopardize this position by attacking anyone with power.

If attacked by a forum bully, disagree politely then get out. Diffuse the situation with silence. Remember, others will read your posts and make determinations about you. Even the most skillful defense will dash up against the walls of the kingdom. Besides, you may have more people rooting for you than you think. Forum bullies are not necessarily liked by the more respected members of the forum, they are merely tolerated because they are part of the inner circle.

If all else fails, and the actions of the forum bully still bother you, you can always write an article about it.
The Invisible Man is an 1897 sci-fi novella by H.G. Wells.  The protagonist cannot become visible again, becoming mentally unstable as a result.

The Invisible Male


Gonz has it nailed with the left wing idiots. You guys are essentially worthless and ineffectual to the movement anyways. Good riddance...


So you think Glenn Sacks is worthless and ineffectual to the MRA movement?

Seems like the #1 objective of some in this forum is to drive away anyone that's not a freeper.  Keep in mind the old-fashioned chivalry that is a trademark of the right wing.
The Invisible Man is an 1897 sci-fi novella by H.G. Wells.  The protagonist cannot become visible again, becoming mentally unstable as a result.

dr e

IM -- Some have opinions and others have strong opinions.  This is a discussion board and both are welcome.  Gonz has strong opinions and he tends not to mince words.  That is welcome here, in fact it is a traditional masculine trait which is being made obscure by political correctness which tries to make all things nice, sweet, and sanitized.  The rules on this forum are clear, you can challange someone's opinion and label it whatever you wish but you are not allowed to label the person in a blatantly negative manner.  Gonz is generally very skilled in maintaining that boundary.  Perhaps it is due to our having posted together for a number of years and his knowing  just how much I will put up with. 

AU has been teflon coated since his arrival here.  He has frustrated many with his unwillingness to dialogue and both support his positions or acknowledge the points made by others.  When a poster takes that sort of stance they will eventually find themselves in a position that lacks the respect and good will of the other posters.  And so it goes.
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

poiuyt

Forum Bully?... You're 'aving a laugh no ? ... Mind you and anyways, it takes one to neuter one.

Like check this double standard shit out:

http://menswiki.wikidot.com/
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User: Andrew Usher

This is the main page of the Men's Wiki.

- No women are allowed. Anyone discovered to be female will be blocked permanently.

- There is to be no tolerance for trolls or parodists, either.

- All users must have a user page with an e-mail address.

- No humor in main space, unless it's inherently part of the subject. Pointed satire or sarcasm, though, may be allowed, as its purpose is not really humor.

- The subject of the wiki is masculism, men's rights, and other philosophical, ethical, or political issues specific to men. This is to be understood in a broad sense.

- No pictures or other files may be uploaded (for now, at least).

- No editing by reversion. No one should make an edit more than once without explanation, and anyone that does may be blocked. When both sides are abusing reversions, the article will be locked.

- On any issue disputed among masculists, both sides should be presented fairly.

- While citations to good sources are usually preferred to original speculation, no general rule can be made.

- Free speech should prevail on talk pages. Nothing should be removed except vandalism, spam, trolling, and other non-constructive misbehavior.


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