Should Prison Rape be cleaned up?

Started by Amber, Nov 26, 2003, 03:55 PM

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Should prison rape be cleaned up?

No they are criminals, who cares about them?
0 (0%)
Yes, sodomy isn't a proper punishment for petty crimes
2 (18.2%)
Yes, the sin of sodomy should be weeded out everywhere even in prison
1 (9.1%)
Yes, if it were women prisoners being raped, it would have been cleaned up long ago
8 (72.7%)

Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: Nov 26, 2003, 03:55 PM

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Amber

Have at it.

Ah, I wish I knew how prevelant prison rape was, and in what kind of facilities specifically. Is it only going to happen to murderers and child molesters ... or will men in jail for not paying child support payments, disorderly conduct, potential traffic fines and the like also get subject to it?

You can assume the second option means "clean up prison rape for non-violent offendors."
he men's movement is a hate movement.  

What feminism is to men; the men's rights movement is to women.

Men's rights activists blame misandry for all their problems in the same way that feminists blame the patriarchy.

The only thing men's rights activists are good at is abusing women.  

And you can quote me on that.  :D

Setaseba

I'm a little surprised by the question. Even if it's only one guy or girl in some out of the way place, isn't it worth fixing?

As for non-violent offenders. I guess it depends on whether they're in the main prison population or not. If you are sent to prison for say grand theft you'll likely end up with the guys who are in for murder I'd imagine.

Your options in the poll are pretty limited and divergent. Should men be raped for even major crimes? Prison rape also involves more than sodomy; if you resist you'll get the crap beaten out of you.

Yes, I'd say that if prison rape were prevalent in women's facilities there would be an effort to do something about it. I doubt whether the question would even come up as to whether serious female offenders deserve to be raped as part of their punishment.

Bilbo

I think pretty much the only requirement to be a candidate is that one have an anus.
It is impossible to reason a man out of something he was never reasoned into in the first place- Swift

"The cardinal principle of judicial restraint--if it is not necessary to decide more, it is necessary not to decide more."

Setaseba

Quote from: "Bilbo"
I think pretty much the only requirement to be a candidate is that one have an anus.


Or be one. :lol:

nebulousone

Okay, well my anus is on permanent retreat now, thanks.  :?
i]Most folks are as happy as they make up their minds to be.[/i]
~Abraham Lincoln

Setaseba

Quote from: "nebulousone"
Okay, well my anus is on permanent retreat now, thanks.  :?


Suck it up neb. :lol:

nebulousone

Well see, I don't have to now, if'n you get my drift.  :shock:
i]Most folks are as happy as they make up their minds to be.[/i]
~Abraham Lincoln

Setaseba

Quote from: "nebulousone"
Well see, I don't have to now, if'n you get my drift.  :shock:


I'm tryin' real hard not to. :lol:

nebulousone

i]Most folks are as happy as they make up their minds to be.[/i]
~Abraham Lincoln

Sir Jessy of Anti

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Yes, I'd say that if prison rape were prevalent in women's facilities there would be an effort to do something about it. I doubt whether the question would even come up as to whether serious female offenders deserve to be raped as part of their punishment.


What he said!

I think though that men are pretty culpable for the cultural bias that perpetuates prison rape.  I hear guys joke about this all the time on the radio, tv, at work, blah blah blah

Anyways, I was thinking that in the face of such bias, it is hard to really institute any accountability in the system.  I don't think too many people would say that a violent rape is nothing to be concerned about when they really think about it.  One way to instill accountability and freedom from the tyranny of unjust punishment is by commencing legal action (like in the article below) against the institutions of government that allow these crimes to occur through their lack of procedural control and sometimes blatantly malicious culpability.   This young man was speeding for <expletive deleted>'s sake!

http://www.spr.org/en/news/2003/0402.html

The "PRISON RAPE ELIMINATION ACT OF 2003 (H.R. 1707)" has been signed into law in the US, and hopefully some of the intended reforms will actually help someone.  The weird thing is that I know about this, but have no idea about similar measures in Canada.  There are no similar reforms planned I think, which is unfortunate.
"The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master." -- Ayn Rand<br /><br />

Daymar

The reason people joke about it is because they're under the delusion that only bad people actually go to prison in the first place and they don't even think about the actual occurance of a normal person being raped. People who go to jail are looked at as if they're the scum of the earth and not worthy of any kind of respect from a normal person.

I don't know the actual numbers but I think about 40% of prison inmates are there on drug charges so the number of non violent inmates must be higher. What good is a prison though if the people that go there become violent and aggressive to stave off rape attempts or get sodomized and become psychologically unstable because of that? You're putting non-violent people in prison that are coming out violent and or abused with even more psychological problems then they had when they went in. Pretty worthless system.

Bilbo

Quote from: "nebulousone"
Okay, well my anus is on permanent retreat now, thanks.  :?



Where on Earth would it retreat to?
It is impossible to reason a man out of something he was never reasoned into in the first place- Swift

"The cardinal principle of judicial restraint--if it is not necessary to decide more, it is necessary not to decide more."

Amber

Prison rape makes civil disobedience very hard.  I'm with Dr. King, it is morally right to disobey unjust laws - but one must expect to go to jail over it.  That is honorable and respectable, but no one is going to do this with the thought they might be sodomized.
he men's movement is a hate movement.  

What feminism is to men; the men's rights movement is to women.

Men's rights activists blame misandry for all their problems in the same way that feminists blame the patriarchy.

The only thing men's rights activists are good at is abusing women.  

And you can quote me on that.  :D

Bilbo

Quote from: "Amber"
That is honorable and respectable, but no one is going to do this with the thought they might be sodomized.




You have an uncanny knack for crystallizing a concept in a way that few can match.  :lol:
It is impossible to reason a man out of something he was never reasoned into in the first place- Swift

"The cardinal principle of judicial restraint--if it is not necessary to decide more, it is necessary not to decide more."

nebulousone

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Where on Earth would it retreat to?


Curiosity killed the cat.

8)
i]Most folks are as happy as they make up their minds to be.[/i]
~Abraham Lincoln

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