Palin demands Lear jet, deluxe hotel suite, bottled water with bendable straws

[neoteny]

The son asked Wooten if he could feel the taser on him, and Wooten said OK as long as it was on the lowest setting.

Still: it was incredible stupidity on Wooten's side and he should have lost his law enforcement job just for that. What, a firefighter should be winked at for borrowing a fire truck and rolling his kid in the field with a high-pressure water stream? even if the kid begs for it?

[neoteny]

When you have the power to kill someone legally, you have the obligation to be perfect. Every time.  Without fail.  No exceptions.

They babble about "zero tolerance"; are they going to apply it to themselves? Because that is the meaning of the phrase "the rule of law"; namely that the law applies equally to all.

Equally. To All.

[bluegrass]

You guys don't know anything about the taser thing.  Wooten was at home and had his taser with him.  His son was asking him a lot of questions about it, curious to know how much of a shock it delivered.  Wooten had taken training classes in using taser weapons and knew that the absolute lowest setting posed no danger.  The son asked Wooten if he could feel the taser on him, and Wooten said OK as long as it was on the lowest setting.  So Wooten did it, as other family members looked on, including the son's grandfather.  Everyone thought that it was in good fun, including the son.  For weeks and weeks after that, there was no issue and nobody complained about it.  ONLY WHEN WOOTEN'S WIFE FILED FOR DIVORCE did it become some issue that she could use to substantiate her claims that he was some sort of a menace.

This is the pattern that we have seen in countless divorces and DV-related dramas.  Women use the pretext of their vulnerability to exact power and control over those who appear to be less vulnerable than they are.  That's exactly what happened.  And guess what?  After the investigation was completed and all the facts were made clear, Wooten not only kept his job but also got full custody of his older son,

So don't believe what you have watched on CNN, because they fabricate and exaggerate (as you well know).

There's that plus the fact that they're raking Levi Johnston over the coals now for $1750 per month.  Other than a couple of paid appearances and a photo shoot, the kid's never made more than about $10,000 per year -- so he's basically f*cked.  Add to that the allegations of parental alienation against the Palin family and she seems to me to be no friend to father's rights.

Now I know Levi was a a jackass a lot of the time, but I know that my mother would never want to see the parent of one of her grandchildren wrecked like that. 

Believe what you want, but this woman is an enemy to father's rights.  Her track record is pretty clear on that.

[The Gonzman]

You guys don't know anything ....

So don't believe what you have watched on CNN, because they fabricate and exaggerate (as you well know).

I know he's been divorced five times.  I know he's had state troopers drive him drunk home when if *I* had done it, i'd have done jail time.  I know a whole lot about him, because there is a report on him, issued by the Disciplinary board.  From it, I conclude that he's a pathetic excuse for a man and a pathetic excuse for an officer of the law.  Drinking, violence, abuse of power, cover ups, threats - I believe Palin because there is a whole host of complaints and reprimands outside of that incident that demonstrate that such bad behavior is consistent with his proven bad character.

The incident where he flashed his badge to a tavern owner to bully him into ejecting someone Wooten didn't like demonstrates sufficiently for me that he'd be at home in a Waffen SS uniform.

You don't hook a taser to a kid.  Period.  No excuses.  Just like you don't stick your dick in a 5 year old's mouth even if you have a dozen witnesses saying "She just wanted to see what dick tasted like."  It is just not done.

[The Gonzman]

Believe what you want, but this woman is an enemy to father's rights.  Her track record is pretty clear on that.

So don't believe what you have watched on CNN, because they fabricate and exaggerate (as you well know).

Unless it Bashes Palin, because as we fnow, a demonstrably left-biased News Station with a track record of selective reporting, half truths, and spin to cast things in the worst possible light for Right-leaning people and issues is the soul of objectivity when it comes to a Political Figure they openly despise.

And Far-Left Palin Hater Kathy Griffin, Winner of the "Friend of Men" award for five consecutive years and Ricky Hollywood's MILF fuckbuddy assures us that Sarah Palin is a Big Meanie.  You can trust her.

[Gungerassa]

Alaska is about as second amendment friendly as you can get, it's one of a few states that issue permits only for the sake of reciprocity.

And I'd say mocking Jugears about "We'll keep clinging to our guns" this very week demonstrates a measure of commitment to it.

Sorry to have to disagree, but anybody can talk the talk.  John Kerry pretended to be an avid hunter while running for president, but what he would have done if elected was most likely a different story.  I don't know if Palin would be a gun grabber, but I don't think she has tenaciously pushed pro-gun legislation or talked with a lot of passion about the subject.  If I was governor, I would question why a permit to carry concealed is needed because that is an infringment of our Second Ammendment rights.  Are machine guns and silencers legal in Alaska?  During her book signing tours, has she ridiculed restrictive gun laws in left leaning states she went through?

Dude, in Alaska there is no home rule, and the only way to be more "pro-gun" than their current laws would be to issue guns.  What do you want, blood?

I'll say this again:

If I was governor, I would question why a permit to carry concealed is needed because that is an infringment of our Second Ammendment rights.  Are machine guns and silencers legal in Alaska?  During her book signing tours, has she ridiculed restrictive gun laws in left leaning states she went through?

Let me add that while Palin was running for VP, I called her office three times and wrote several emails asking what Palin's stand is on illegal immigration.  I got NO replies!  None!  We have a serious drug problem directly related to open borders and the illegal aliens bring those nasty drugs into our country.  Thousands of people per year are murdered by illegal aliens, yet I have not heard her say Americans in all states need to have liberal access to fire arms to protect themselves.

[BRIAN]

John,

Are you kidding me? The kid asked so he did it? At some point your dad common sense should kick in and you say "NO SON IT WILL HURT YOU".  In the millitary I went to the NBC chamber numerous times for training in the use of my gas mask and chemical suit. If my 6 yearold asked me to set off a CS grenade in the garage just so he could know what it was like I would say no because of that same reason. This guy does not have the type of judgement I want a person with a state issued side arm and LEO powers to have.

[Men's Rights Activist]

If my 6 yearold asked me to set off a CS grenade in the garage just so he could know what it was like I would say no because of that same reason.

Many years ago, when I got a permit to carry CS tear gas in CA, the guy running the training gave us each a drop from a Q-tip on our face.  That was all that was needed to give us an idea of how nasty the stuff was.  I suspect if Officer Wooten had done that to his son, they'd be on his case too, but I can tell you from running around in a closed room full of tear gas with no gas mask on when I was in boot camp, that there's a world of difference between a drop and a room full - as there is between the lowest setting on a tazer and the higher settings.

[.]

John,

Are you kidding me? The kid asked so he did it? At some point your dad common sense should kick in and you say "NO SON IT WILL HURT YOU".

Define "hurt."  Does that mean pain, or does it mean injury?  Wooten had received expert certification in tasers and he was fully aware that the lowest setting would NOT cause injury and therefore represented no danger.  Contrast that with Gonzo's comparison in which he likens the non-injurious application of a taser to carnal knowledge by a child.  To that I say, "Are you kidding me?"

[The Gonzman]

I'll say this again:

If I was governor, I would question why a permit to carry concealed is needed because that is an infringment of our Second Ammendment rights. 

http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/p/gunlaws_ak.htm

Here are the Gun laws in Alaska:

Rifles and Shotguns

    * Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No
    * Registration of rifles and shotguns? No
    * Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No
    * Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No

Handguns

    * Permit to purchase handgun? No
    * Registration of handguns? No
    * Licensing of owners of handguns? No
    * Permit to carry handguns? No*

According to the National Rifle Assc., "A permit to carry a concealed handgun is not necessary in Alaska, but permits are available to those who want to carry in states that recognize Alaska permits."

Purchase
No state permit is required to purchase a rifle, shotgun or handgun.

    * It is unlawful to sell or transfer a firearm capable of being concealed on one's person to anyone who has been convicted of a felony or adjudicated a delinquent minor for conduct that would constitute a felony if committed by an adult. It is an affirmative defense that 10 years or more has elapsed since the unconditional discharge on the prior offense.

    * It is unlawful to knowingly sell or transfer a firearm to a person whose physical or mental condition is substantially impaired as a result of an intoxicating liquor or drug, or to sell a firearm to a person less than 18.

More at the site.

So - like Vermont and Arizona, want a gun?  Buy one and carry it concealed.  No permit.

So how much more gun liberty would you have her have made for Alaska?  Exactly?

Are machine guns and silencers legal in Alaska? 

Alaska has no "Assault Weapons" law, and silencers are legal.  However, Federal Retrictions exist

During her book signing tours, has she ridiculed restrictive gun laws in left leaning states she went through?

During her time as Governor, she was instrumental in prohibiting municpalities from putting restrictions on firearms that contravened and Susperseded state law.

Let me add that while Palin was running for VP, I called her office three times and wrote several emails asking what Palin's stand is on illegal immigration.  I got NO replies!  None!  We have a serious drug problem directly related to open borders and the illegal aliens bring those nasty drugs into our country.  Thousands of people per year are murdered by illegal aliens, yet I have not heard her say Americans in all states need to have liberal access to fire arms to protect themselves.

That's right, even though she has mocked people about being a "bitter Clinger", been shown firing an assault rifle, enacted laws as governor to expand gun rights, enacted laws as governor to curb illegal immigration and access of same to state services  - She didn't respond personally to your letter out of millions, or say in so many words your script - which no other politician has, either - so she's a raving bitch.

Want to move the goalposts again?  Or do you just want to admit you don't WANT to like Sarah Palin?

[The Gonzman]

John,

Are you kidding me? The kid asked so he did it? At some point your dad common sense should kick in and you say "NO SON IT WILL HURT YOU".

Define "hurt."  Does that mean pain, or does it mean injury?  Wooten had received expert certification in tasers and he was fully aware that the lowest setting would NOT cause injury and therefore represented no danger.  Contrast that with Gonzo's comparison in which he likens the non-injurious application of a taser to carnal knowledge by a child.  To that I say, "Are you kidding me?"

That's bullshit, because when I was trained in tasers, I was informed that even though it was safer than a firearm for the target, and the risk was minimal, that there was a risk of death with each and every use of it, no matter what the setting; and also a risk that someone could shrug it off.  John Wooten needs to go back and beg his instructor to beat him for not paying attention to his lessons.

You're right, though, that was a poor analogy.  For all as sick as it is, a dick in a 5 year old's mouth probably won't kill them, or least has a much less risk that a tasering.

John Wooten is allegedly an adult.  As an adult his responsibility is absolute to tell a child "No, Hell No, and Hell Fucking No" to any request to be subjected to something potentially lethal, no matter how minimal the risk.  He failed.  Epic fail.  And he ought to be in jail for it.

[.]

If you love your kid, you don't knowingly expose your kid to something that could plausibly cause injury or death. I would never use a taser on my kid.  But I've let my son climb into tree houses, and go swimming.  His mother is now suggesting that he be allowed to ride his bike home from school, which makes me nervous.  But lots of kids his age are permitted by their parents to ride their bikes home from school, which carries its own risks.

The point is that if Wooten was trained to believe that there was no risk, then why do you liken him to a monster?

[.]

By the way, anyone who wants to get information about this case should read the Memorandum of Findings issued by Col. Julia Grimes, a Director of the Alaska State Troopers, here:

http://www.misandryreview.com/pdf/20080717_062016_641.pdf

[BRIAN]

John,

Are you kidding me? The kid asked so he did it? At some point your dad common sense should kick in and you say "NO SON IT WILL HURT YOU".

Define "hurt."  Does that mean pain, or does it mean injury?  Wooten had received expert certification in tasers and he was fully aware that the lowest setting would NOT cause injury and therefore represented no danger.  Contrast that with Gonzo's comparison in which he likens the non-injurious application of a taser to carnal knowledge by a child.  To that I say, "Are you kidding me?"

I would say injury or pain is "Hurt". I am not going to do that to a child no sane person would.  John you know those settings are calibrated to a average adult man right? A low setting might stop a childs heart. This Wooten guy has not got the common sense God gave a goat.

[The Gonzman]

The point is that if Wooten was trained to believe that there was no risk, then why do you liken him to a monster?

Because I do not believe he was trained that there is no risk by any credible program.  I use credible because I am familiar with the device.  If he is not lying, then his "certification" is, demonstrably, worthless; just like if a mechanic was "trained" that pixie farts run an internal combustion engine.

By the way, anyone who wants to get information about this case should read the Memorandum of Findings issued by Col. Julia Grimes, a Director of the Alaska State Troopers, here:

http://www.misandryreview.com/pdf/20080717_062016_641.pdf

Mmm.  Yet the finding by the independent and non-partisan review on Sarah Palin, which didn't have a litany of "sustained" in it, is somehow worthless.

What I Notice About Palin-Bashers

      Saturday, December 12th, 2009

Had these thoughts in my head for awhile, and as long as we're on the subject of Palin I thought I should jot 'em down.

These people are in a "most lunatic" photo-finish neck-and-neck with the hardcore Obama-zealots. I seriously think we've discovered a new mental sickness epidemic. Palin isn't it, but she's a useful black light for detecting it. For how many years, before the nation learned to pronounce her married name, has this been going on, churning away in our midst, unseen?

1. They've achieved a great deal less in life than she has, even though some are quite a bit older than she is.
2. They don't want to be called "haters," although their reaction to her is purely negative and purely emotional; I'm left groping for another word and "bashers," far from being a perfect fit, ends up being the least-unsuitable.
3. They persist in the mistaken belief that Charles Gibson tripped her up.
4. Whatever they have to say about Palin's lack of competence or intellectual acumen, is felt, not thought. It invariably relies, not on observations, but on perceptions of what others are going to do. Nobody truly owns this.
5. A lot of them are ready to vouch for other women in power who are relatively homely and frumpy, like Hillary Clinton. This, also, fails the thought-over-feeling test; it isn't based on much of anything. It's just a reverberation of feelings felt by others, nothing more.
6. They breathe hard and their pulse quickens. I haven't run into too many people who are ready to calmly explain Sarah Palin's lack of qualifications.
7. Their laughter, in response to Palin jokes, is forced.
8. Their lofty opinions of the minimal requirements for the offices Palin has sought, or might seek, is selective. When the topic of conversation shifts to Joe Biden, suddenly it seems the Vice Presidency doesn't demand a whole lot out of anyone.
9. They don't seem to think it takes a whole lot to govern Alaska, or to even live there. They don't appear to think very highly of Alaskans. One wonders if they'd back a Constitutional amendment establishing a "geographical litmus test" for future candidates, and if so, how many other states would go in the "No Can Do" column.
10. A lot of people claim to like her personally, just don't "feel" (see Item #4 above) that she's "right"; when the topic of conversation shifts to Barack Obama, this principle turns out to be selective (see Item #8) and they have a whole new and different way of seeing people.
11. They seem to have an awful lot of ego invested in these discussions, like if they cannot convince ALL reading or listening that Palin is a dimbulb, right here & right now, that this failing will somehow diminish them as a person.
12. They aren't at all willing to say women should be staying home raising their kids; but they're perfectly willing to say Palin should be staying home raising her kids.
13. They are loud, eager to get their opinion on the record, to the point of being obnoxious. Nobody seems to be sitting in a corner anywhere quietly thinking to himself "Wow I wish Palin would go away she's so unqualified."
14. Some of them think it's way too early to talk about 2012. They seem to realize if the nomination process was conducted today, the results would be pretty clear. They seem to understand, but not to be willing to confess, that Palin is less likely to embarrass herself compared to her rivals, between now and 2012.
15. The standard they apply to Sarah Palin is not just higher than the standard they apply to others; it is surreal. Speculation on false pregnancies, burning books, forcing rape victims to pay for their own examinations, months and years after being thoroughly debunked, is somehow considered residually damning against her.
16. The people who get angriest about her, make me really happy she's around to make them so angry because these are people who've had it comin'. As OldT6Flyer said at Neptunus Lex's place (hat tip to blogger friend Buck), "If she didn't exist somebody would need to invent her for the cause."
17. Other than the secular types supposedly living in fear of some tighty-righty coming along to transform American into a "theocracy," there doesn't seem to be a single soul among them willing to say what a President Palin would do that they wouldn't like. As a community, if you can call it that, they seem to be nearly brain-dead on matters of policy.
18. They're ready to say what they think about things, in general, a whole lot more quickly than they're ready to comment on their qualifications or lack thereof for thinking these things. This figures: They're dissing the intellect of someone they've never met and never will meet.
19. If they're Republicans, they long for a return to the halcyon days when the Republican party was known for its intellectual depth, and won elections that way. I, too, think that would be kinda cool. They aren't ready to clue me in on when in the last hundred years that ever happened, or how likely such a thing ever is to happen again. Haven't they noticed in columnist-world, the conservatives have a monopoly on intellectual wherewithal? Charles Krauthammer, Thomas Sowell, George Will...their counterparts are Keith Olbermann and Arianna Huffington? And that there's a filtration process in place to keep that from ever translating into our elections, so that when it's time to vote suddenly it's the liberals who are the eggheads. What do they think is going to happen to upset that? What should be done to overturn that canoe? They aren't ready to discuss this, not in the slightest. One would reasonably expect they'd be chomping at the bit.
20. A lot of them fall into Item #22 on my list of Fifty Fucking Sick Things. They want me to think something just because they think it -- they're so undeniably smart that if I don't agree straight-away, that's evidence of my own thick-headedness and cluelessness. But they can't tell "their" from "they're" or "your" apart from "you're." Innocent, excusable mistakes until you stop to realize: The whole point of their garbled writing is to raise doubts about someone else being qualified to graduate from high school!
21. They use "beauty queen" as an insult. One cannot help but wonder if they're prepared to explain why this is.
22. They're ready, willing and able to quickly concede that the attacks on Palin have been "unfair"; but their opinions about Palin appear to have been decided entirely by these unfair attacks. How's this work exactly?
23. If they're women -- and a lot of them are -- they all have that same look. Like they go to New Year's Eve parties looking exactly the same as when they're spending a day housecleaning. No one's ever gotten ticked for leaving late because they took too long in front of a mirror.
24. They show an astonishing, whiplash-inducing ability to go from one extreme -- "yes that's true, her family should be off-limits" -- to the other -- "that little skank Bristol didn't listen to abstinence education so why should anyone else."
25. They hiss at her for being a "quitter" but give you a blank look when you name some of the Obama nominees who had to withdraw because of tax "problems."

In person as well as on the innerwebs, I get the feeling I really shouldn't be arguing with these people. Not in a "ah shucks, you'll never see things my way and I'll never agree with you, so what's the point? Let's talk baseball!" But more of an I-gotta-get-outta-here kinda way. With that unsettling kind of feeling you'd get if you ever found yourself arguing with some homeless guy covered with pigeon droppings about whether he really is hearing voices in his head.

They aren't expressing hostility inspired by Palin; they've been carrying the hostility around, some of them perhaps for generations, and Palin has provided the outlet. In lots of ways.