Palin demands Lear jet, deluxe hotel suite, bottled water with bendable straws

[Men's Rights Activist]

We have to pay for Pelosis's plane through tax dollars. I believe she is the first secretary of state to get a gov plane. And its way larger than a lear.

I think you have Pelosi's title (Speaker of the House) mixed up with Hillary's (Sec. of State), but yes, I too think Pelosi's air travel on the taxpayer dime is extravagant.  Personally, I think a cattle car on a slow freight train is good enough for her.

Back to Hillary, you may well have raised her ire if she reads SYG.  Remember this special "Hillary moment"   from a while back?

Hillary Clinton: I'm secretary of state, not Bill

[The Gonzman]

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s tenacious as McCain is about forcing millions of criminal aliens down our throats, do you really think he would pick a running mate who is not the same?  McCain doesn't give a damn about the fact that our country has 5% of the world population, yet consumes TWO-THIRDS of the illegal drugs in thw world.  I don't hear Palin making demands that the borders be shut to those drugs that are runing the lives of our people, including innocent children! 

So it's not about anything SP has actually done or said, but some conjecture based on what John McCain did or said, and what anyone who has any connection to him "must be like" even though you have no knowledge of them.

So now we know where you are moving the goalposts to.  When your misinformed criticisms of Sp are corrected by facts, we move to the realm of conjecture and supposition.

We're done here.  It is patently obvious to me that there is no reasoning you out of a position which you never used reason to arrive at.

[The Biscuit Queen]

Seems to me the availability of drugs is not the problem, it is the demand for drugs. Even if we were to close the border the market still exists and these people will just find another outlet to get high. Up here in NY it is Meth, which can be made entirely without Mexico. We need to face the truth that we have 2 generations of kids/young adults who are driven to drugs through social problems such as poverty, fatherlessness, and constant bombardment of negative social media.

[LSBeene]

On the immigration thing:

I think we are falling into the trap laid by those who argue against how "illegal immigrants aren't so bad because ..." mentality.

I'm still waking up, so bear with me.

Some will assert, wrongly or rightly that "illegal immigrants cause x, y, & z crimes"  -  The counter is often "illegals have a lower crime rate per capita than legal U.S. citizens"

It's a back and forth and unwinnable.  Plus it ignores the real problem.  So, what is the real problem?

If, without any illegals we had 1000 instances of X crime.  And with illegals we have 1100 instances of X crime - that is MORE CRIME.  Regardless of if it's done TO another illegal, by an illegal, or because of an illegal - without their presence those extra instances of crime WOULD NOT BE HAPPENING.

Some crimes are, to some degree, "victimless" - but most are not, and have ripple in the pond repurcussions.

Were those folks not here illegally, those extra instances of the crime would not have happened.

Take my personal example - there is less crime in Iraq, on US military bases, where everyone is armed, in a WARZONE than there is per capita by US citizens.

Does that mean that everone should join the military and join me in the sandbox to lower crime rates? (or course that's a retarded idea)

Ok, sorry, not fully awake - my POINT is that a lower crime rate per capita is nice and all, but for each violent crime or facilitation of drug distribution there are 3, 5, 10 people affected outside of the first layer of separation.  There is more chaos, pain, and suffering.

And, plus, this all ignores the elephant in the room - the REAL reason liberals/progressives/democrats (whatever) want illegals is a VOTING BLOC.

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Oh, and as the this thread:  Palin wants some creature comforts.  Wow, f*cking big deal.  Our (*snicker*) "servants" act like royal pratts.  No, this is just people LOOKING at Palin to find fault.

Steven

[BRIAN]

Seems to me the availability of drugs is not the problem, it is the demand for drugs. Even if we were to close the border the market still exists and these people will just find another outlet to get high. Up here in NY it is Meth, which can be made entirely without Mexico. We need to face the truth that we have 2 generations of kids/young adults who are driven to drugs through social problems such as poverty, fatherlessness, and constant bombardment of negative social media.

Ever hear the line "just a little taste for free"? There is some rationale to attacking the illegal drug problem in leasoning the demand for the drugs. But there is a lot of exploitation by the supply side of the young and easily addicteds by the dealers out there. Also I read some where that casual users buy most of the drugs not the hardcore addicts.


But none of that pertains to the thread topic so perhaps we should start another thread to continue discussing Illeagal imigration in respect to drug and crime problems.

[neoteny]

Regarding illegal drugs:

Alcohol is one of the hardest drugs imaginable. The US of A banned it for what? five years or so in the first third of the 20th century; what did it accomplish? Prohibition made organized crime really well paying and powerful, that.

Legalize all drugs, including prescription ones; let everyone make a choice. That some will make "the wrong choice" is unavoidable; but you can't save people from themselves... Hollywood is a prime example of that.

[Captain Courageous]

I just received this via email from NormL News:

CBS Polls Finds Majority Of Western Voters, Californians, Back Legalization       

New York, NY: A majority of west coast voters, and Californians specifically, believe that the adult use of marijuana should be legal, according to the results of a pair of polls conducted for CBS News.

Fifty-six percent of Californians believe that "the state of California (should) legalize the use of marijuana," according to a SurveyUSA poll of 500 adults conducted for CBS. The survey results come less than a month after state election officials certified the Regulate, Control, and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010 for the 2010 November ballot. The measure would allow adults 21 years or older to possess, share or transport up to one ounce of cannabis for personal consumption, and/or cultivate the plant in an area of not more than twenty-five square feet per private residence.

Among respondents, support for the proposal was strongest among males (65 percent), liberals (77 percent), and those between the ages of 18 and 34 (74 percent).

In a separate national CBS News poll of 858 adults, 55 percent of respondents residing in the west coast said that they back legalization, and only 41 percent oppose the idea.

Nationwide, the poll reported that 44 percent of Americans favor legalizing the use of cannabis, and 51 percent oppose it.

In December, a national poll of 1,004 likely voters by Angus Reid reported for the first time that just over half of all Americans endorse marijuana legalization.

A separate poll published this week by the Associated Press and CNBC reported that 55 percent of Americans opposed the "complete legalization of the use of marijuana for any purpose." However, 56 percent of respondents also stated that they believed that "the regulations on marijuana (should) be the same ... or less strict ... (than) those for alcohol."

For more information, please contact Allen St. Pierre, NORML Executive Director, at (202) 483-5500.

[Mr. X]

Sorry guys but I back open borders. But I also back removal of the nanny/entitlement state. I know of no case in history in which a wall at a border solved anything. We can't have one without the other.

But don't worry, the entitlement state cannot have an open border. They WILL close the border, they will just do it in a round about way and it will be worse and more dishonest than just flat out deporting illegals who commit crimes. Check Sweden, New Zealand, every democratic socialist country on earth has closed borders and tight immigration policies. Same will happen in the US. You can't have an entitlement system if anyone can come over the border and freeload.

[The Biscuit Queen]

Good point. If we cut the entitlements then the illegal immigration problem will shrink immensely with no other actions.

Hmmm...save money by cutting entitlements, AND solve a problem without additional money. And we aren't doing this because.....?

[The Gonzman]

I have no problem with an open border, so long as the illegal aliens understand that they are ineligible for anything - jobs, housing, aid, education, and the right to file a criminal or civil complaint  - except for stabilizing medical treatment, a one way ticket home, and a lifetime ban on a legal visa if caught here without authorization.

Plus no parole if convicted and sentenced.

And I would also say that employing an illegal alien for a day is a felony, punishable by 6 months in jail and a ten thousand dollar fine.  Per offense.  Which must under statute be served consecutively.

We have estimated here 3% illegal population.  They easily commit half the crime, and not to mention, they routinely flee bills - including medical bills at our hospital - by going somewhere else and assuming a new name.  They flee bail.  Mexico refuses to extradite them.  I've a neighbor whose granddaughter was molested by one of these scum - guess what/  he was here under a false name.  so the only lead is a false name, and the wetbacks close ranks against the gringos.  What is their motto?  For the race everything, for outsiders, nothing?

Nope.  It's time to resurrect outlawry.  In the fullest sense of the word.

[Captain Courageous]

Two questions:

- Who was doing the alleged dumpster diving that found what might be a concocted and therefore bogus receipt?

- and -

- What part does the Mexican Mafia and other prison gangs play in this immigration scam? Let's lock 'em up! Yeah, so they can swell the ranks of the prison gangs (code speak for "troops")?

[Mr. X]

I have no problem with an open border, so long as the illegal aliens understand that they are ineligible for anything - jobs, housing, aid, education, and the right to file a criminal or civil complaint  - except for stabilizing medical treatment, a one way ticket home, and a lifetime ban on a legal visa if caught here without authorization.

Ironically this is the way most socialist European countries like Sweden treat illegals. You can't use the health care system but you can freely pay taxes and if you mess up once you are OUT. Heck even Canada won't let just anyone come over the board and get a lifetime dose of free health care. Anyone in Canada can confirm or deny this? They probably have an ER system like ours but beyond that you can't get the goodies unless you're a Canadian citizen. And I believe Sweden has a two tear citizenship so even IF you get citizenship you get less rights and goodies than a native born Swedes.

So I find the democantz to be a bit hypocritical. We all know full well they aren't going to allow tons of people to come over the board and consume their entitlements. They WILL CLOSE THE BORDER, they will just do it in an underhanded, dishonest and attrition manner.

[The Biscuit Queen]

We have estimated here 3% illegal population. They easily commit half the crime, and not to mention, they routinely flee bills - including medical bills at our hospital - by going somewhere else and assuming a new name.

You have any sources for that?

[The Gonzman]

We have estimated here 3% illegal population. They easily commit half the crime, and not to mention, they routinely flee bills - including medical bills at our hospital - by going somewhere else and assuming a new name.

You have any sources for that?

Yeah, the police blotter in my local paper.  And given day in the tri county area we are chock full of Cortez, and Sanchez, and Martinez, and Maria, and etc. stealing cars, busted with meth, driving without ever getting licenses, and so forth.

And what do they do?  They get a new ID, go elsewhere, never show up to court, and the local wetback population says, "No comprende! No comprende!" when they get asked.  So far as I am concerned, you aid and abet criminals, you are criminals.  Accessories after the fact.

The legals want nothing to do with them, and for good reason, not the least of which is that the lagals played by the rules, and waited their turn, and they resent line-jumpers.

[The Gonzman]

And in other news, I don't associate, do business with, hire, rent to, or give the time of day to wetbacks or muslims, and if anyone wants to give them sanctuary - take them.  down here we've a whole bunch of people who plan to and pledge to and have insured that when they wind up in court, those of us on the jury vote against them.

Because we can.

Go home.  We don't want your kind here.