On the immigration thing:
I think we are falling into the trap laid by those who argue against how "illegal immigrants aren't so bad because ..." mentality.
I'm still waking up, so bear with me.
Some will assert, wrongly or rightly that "illegal immigrants cause x, y, & z crimes" - The counter is often "illegals have a lower crime rate per capita than legal U.S. citizens"
It's a back and forth and unwinnable. Plus it ignores the real problem. So, what is the real problem?
If, without any illegals we had 1000 instances of X crime. And with illegals we have 1100 instances of X crime - that is MORE CRIME. Regardless of if it's done TO another illegal, by an illegal, or because of an illegal - without their presence those extra instances of crime WOULD NOT BE HAPPENING.
Some crimes are, to some degree, "victimless" - but most are not, and have ripple in the pond repurcussions.
Were those folks not here illegally, those extra instances of the crime would not have happened.
Take my personal example - there is less crime in Iraq, on US military bases, where everyone is armed, in a WARZONE than there is per capita by US citizens.
Does that mean that everone should join the military and join me in the sandbox to lower crime rates? (or course that's a retarded idea)
Ok, sorry, not fully awake - my POINT is that a lower crime rate per capita is nice and all, but for each violent crime or facilitation of drug distribution there are 3, 5, 10 people affected outside of the first layer of separation. There is more chaos, pain, and suffering.
And, plus, this all ignores the elephant in the room - the REAL reason liberals/progressives/democrats (whatever) want illegals is a VOTING BLOC.
Oh, and as the this thread: Palin wants some creature comforts. Wow, f*cking big deal. Our (*snicker*) "servants" act like royal pratts. No, this is just people LOOKING at Palin to find fault.