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I have no problem with an open border, so long as the illegal aliens understand that they are ineligible for anything - jobs, housing, aid, education, and the right to file a criminal or civil complaint  - except for stabilizing medical treatment, a one way ticket home, and a lifetime ban on a legal visa if caught here without authorization.


We already use that approach in NH.
We call it tourism.
Come on in, set a spell, spend your money, now go home, and carry your garbage out with you please. 

Cordell Walker

here is sarah palin's foriegn policy experience


"how can you kill women and children?"---private joker
"Easy, ya just dont lead em as much" ---Animal Mother

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#107
Oct 12, 2010, 09:52 AM Last Edit: Oct 12, 2010, 10:57 AM by John Dias
...you're [sic] roundabout attempt to avoid Godwin's Law is noted.


You mean that I avoided the frequent tendency within online debates to invoke Nazism or Hitler?  Good for me.  Good for you too, I guess:

Well, we're glad to have the Fascist opinion on this case.


What is justified is him losing his job for drinking on the job, abuse of power, and child abuse.  What is justified is prosecution for those crimes.  And what is justified is any fallout arising from them.


Whatever you think is justified, we have a non-fascist thing in our system of jurisprudence called due process, which almost always includes a jury trial rather than a bench trial.  In order to force an accused person into this system of non-fascist justice, you need either a prosecutor to file charges or (if the prosecutor is too timid) a grand jury to file charges.  Neither a prosecutor nor a grand jury issued any criminal charges against Mike Wooten.  Yet he was served with a restraining order nevertheless.  Personally, I prefer jury trials to restraining orders.  Juries designate guilt far less capriciously than do judges (who hand out restraining orders like candy), and so I prefer jury trials as the most just solution in our current system.  But I'm a non-fascist that way.

You want to harp on "five failed marriages?"  Consider the rest  "Multiple black marks in his jacket.

Police have a higher divorce rate than civilians.  Also, just because a person gets divorced it doesn't mean that they are a wife beater or a child abuser.  Neither one divorce nor one hundred legitimize a restraining order in my book.

Repeated substantiated charges in the document you presented for his defense.

In your view, if he gets out of a ticket, he must be a wife beater!  If he tased his son on the lowest setting at his son's request (and this was never reported to any authorities by the grandfather witness who was present, nor the kid's mother -- that is, until she filed for divorce), then he must have rage issues!  And if his employer deemed those accusations against him to be substantiated for the purpose of justifying administrative discipline, then somehow, some way, they must all be magically just as merited as if Wooten had received due process and a jury trial.  But apparently in your view, these legal protections are all completely unnecessary.  Fry him!  No jury trial necessary, says Benito.

He's a fucking cop, though, so he gets away with it.

The bogus restraining order was eventually overturned by a sensible judge who saw through Molly's crap.  Justice prevailed (eventually), not Wooten's badge.

I'm willing to wager if any of us tasered a kid, we'd be in Jail.

A valid point.  I give credit where it is merited, no matter how rarely the merit surfaces.

The Gonzman

#108
Oct 12, 2010, 10:08 AM Last Edit: Oct 12, 2010, 10:11 AM by The Gonzman
Your obsession with Hating Sarah Palin is noted, it truly takes a special kind of OCD to resurrect a  months old thread to attempt to find fault.  Guilty of the possession of a vagina in the first degree.  Someone set the execution chamber up.

As is your feminist-like determination that any man must be defended for his maleness, regardless of how often his bad behavior is documented.  Excuse the bad behavior at all costs.

Fortunately, the internet keeps things around, and, truth can be found.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/08/the_washington_post_trumps_up.asp

You can pick the poster-boys you want; I, for one, prefer to avoid the Lepines and Wootens of the world.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

Men's Rights Activist

Life, Liberty, & Pursuit of Happiness are fundamental rights for all (including males), & not contingent on gender feminist approval or denial. Consider my "Independence" from all tyrannical gender feminist ideology "Declared" - Here & Now!

Cordell Walker

Palin seems to be one of the most divisive figures Ive seen.
people either hate her or love her.
so its very hard to get any objective view
I mean on one hand, she gets the madcow's and olbermaa'ams in such a tizzy, its like "she cant be all bad"
on the other hand, she seems to have made an ass out of herself as often as I've wasted my check at the honky tonk, and palin-bashing, particularly on the subject of her intellect and awareness of issues, is as ubiquitous as the police, so its kinda like "a billion chinamen cant all be wrong"; that every bit of the hate is entirely unjustified

PS
bristol palin vs miley cyrus nekkid oil wrasslin
who wins?
"how can you kill women and children?"---private joker
"Easy, ya just dont lead em as much" ---Animal Mother

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bristol palin vs miley cyrus nekkid oil wrasslin
who wins?


Everybody? :greener:

The Gonzman


Palin seems to be one of the most divisive figures Ive seen.
people either hate her or love her.
so its very hard to get any objective view


It doesn't matter, the leftist smear machine has insured she's unelectable. 

It always fills me with despair to see otherwise intelligent people caught up in the lies, especially when the truth is documented in so many places.  Moreso in the MRM; a man reason I have thrown my hands up on a lot of it.

I keep forgetting my old adage that the extremists, whackos, and haters will eventually take over any movement because they have momentum and motivation.

For me, I do have a daughter, and when I hear people talking about "All Women" in that way, I remind myself they include her.  And my estimation, then, of them falls through the basement.

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I mean on one hand, she gets the madcow's and olbermaa'ams in such a tizzy, its like "she cant be all bad"


She should set herself up as a lightning rod.  And a kingmaker.  It's where she'd do the most good.

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on the other hand, she seems to have made an ass out of herself as often as I've wasted my check at the honky tonk, and palin-bashing, particularly on the subject of her intellect and awareness of issues, is as ubiquitous as the police, so its kinda like "a billion chinamen cant all be wrong"; that every bit of the hate is entirely unjustified


Well, most of that is cherry-picked to make her look as bad as possible; if someone puts any stock into the leftist media to begin with, their own lack of intellect is already confirmed.

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PS
bristol palin vs miley cyrus nekkid oil wrasslin
who wins?


When Miley turns 18 ... that will be ALL of us, Cordell.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

Cordell Walker



Palin seems to be one of the most divisive figures Ive seen.
people either hate her or love her.
so its very hard to get any objective view


It doesn't matter, the leftist smear machine has insured she's unelectable. 

It always fills me with despair to see otherwise intelligent people caught up in the lies, especially when the truth is documented in so many places.  Moreso in the MRM; a man reason I have thrown my hands up on a lot of it.

I keep forgetting my old adage that the extremists, whackos, and haters will eventually take over any movement because they have momentum and motivation.

For me, I do have a daughter, and when I hear people talking about "All Women" in that way, I remind myself they include her.  And my estimation, then, of them falls through the basement.

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I mean on one hand, she gets the madcow's and olbermaa'ams in such a tizzy, its like "she cant be all bad"


She should set herself up as a lightning rod.  And a kingmaker.  It's where she'd do the most good.

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on the other hand, she seems to have made an ass out of herself as often as I've wasted my check at the honky tonk, and palin-bashing, particularly on the subject of her intellect and awareness of issues, is as ubiquitous as the police, so its kinda like "a billion chinamen cant all be wrong"; that every bit of the hate is entirely unjustified


Well, most of that is cherry-picked to make her look as bad as possible; if someone puts any stock into the leftist media to begin with, their own lack of intellect is already confirmed.

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PS
bristol palin vs miley cyrus nekkid oil wrasslin
who wins?


When Miley turns 18 ... that will be ALL of us, Cordell.


LOL
17 is legal, at least here in texas.

and I agree with you that Palin's role in politics is better suited to talking head etc.......kinda like an ann coulter or a rush
"how can you kill women and children?"---private joker
"Easy, ya just dont lead em as much" ---Animal Mother

The Biscuit Queen

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Whatever you think is justified, we have a non-fascist thing in our system of jurisprudence called due process, which almost always includes a jury trial rather than a bench trial.  In order to force an accused person into this system of non-fascist justice, you need either a prosecutor to file charges or (if the prosecutor is too timid) a grand jury to file charges.  Neither a prosecutor nor a grand jury issued any criminal charges against Mike Wooten.  Yet he was served with a restraining order nevertheless.  Personally, I prefer jury trials to restraining orders.  Juries designate guilt far less capriciously than do judges (who hand out restraining orders like candy), and so I prefer jury trials as the most just solution in our current system.  But I'm a non-fascist that way.


Many, many men are tried and punished through family courts, which are void of due process, including the parents who lost their child and were active in Promise Keepers. What are your thoughts on that?
he Biscuit Queen
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There are always two extremes....the truth lies in the middle.

The Gonzman

"Different" I quite imagine.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

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Oct 12, 2010, 07:07 PM Last Edit: Oct 12, 2010, 08:41 PM by John Dias
Many, many men are tried and punished through family courts, which are void of due process, including the parents who lost their child and were active in Promise Keepers. What are your thoughts on that?


Family courts do have "trials" in which evidence may be presented in order to determine parenting time, legal and/or physical custody, governing jurisdiction, move-away rights, and child support.  So there is a modicum of due process there.  However, the rules are set up to effectively discriminate against most fathers, because fathers tend to occupy the provider role more so than mothers.  Being the provider takes one away from the kids, and even after a family breakup the court wants that separation to continue supposedly to provide an uninterrupted stream of care from the same primary care provider that the child has known (namely, the mother).  And it is here where the authority of fathers is nullified, supplanted by the authority of the judge.  And so in the supposed "best interest of the child," the child is largely separated from his or her father on the pretext that this is what's best for the child.  So-called "trials" in the family courts do not ensure the rights of the parents, because the parents are not criminal defendants who are on trial.  You have more rights as a criminal defendant than you have as a parent in family court, for this very reason.  In family court "trials," the parents are not the ones on trial; the State's supremacy is on trial.  And the court's right to define what is best for the child is what gives it the justifying pretext for its power.

The family court, in assembly line fashion with its loaded dockets, is under no legally binding obligation to acknowledge the child's actual needs to retain substantial contact with the father.  Those needs for substantial father-child contact are not only emotional, but also security-based.  The more substantial the physical proximity between the father and his children, the less vulnerable the kids will be to physical threats.

To summarize:  With family courts the authority is based on law, whereas with patriarchy the authority is based on blood.  The State, legitimized by laws, possesses the ultimate authority over the child's wellbeing, rather than the parents.  But in patriarchy, the child's biological family has the ultimate authority over that child.  Also within patriarchy there is justice and order; you have parents subject to the authority of higher-ranking family clan (rather than our current system's authorities of legislatures and law enforcers).  All of the lawyers, legislators and judges in our law-based system don't have an emotional or biological connection to the children whose lives they are micromanaging, but that's not the case in a patriarchal system.  Blood is thicker than water or law, and that is why in a patriarchal system there is a much greater likelihood of an outcome that meets the child's needs because it preserves and reinforces the authority of the parents and the family, rather than reinforcing the authority of the State as in our current system.  The fact that such a patriarchal model seems so unconventional these days is, to my mind, proof positive that we absolutely and manifestly do NOT live in a patriarchy, no matter what feminist ideologues may claim.

Although our law-based system can and does arrive at just outcomes (sometimes), in my view it is inferior to a patriarchal system, especially in achieving just outcomes in matters that are related to family.  A patriarchal system vests authority in the one who is most responsible for the wellbeing of the family, namely the father.  But a law-based system retains the authority for the State, while continuing to impose obligations on the disempowered father.  Law-based systems (whether conservative, liberal, libertarian, or other) are therefore more likely perpetuate injustices, compared to a patriarchy-based system.

dr e


Palin seems to be one of the most divisive figures Ive seen.
people either hate her or love her.
so its very hard to get any objective view
I mean on one hand, she gets the madcow's and olbermaa'ams in such a tizzy, its like "she cant be all bad"
on the other hand, she seems to have made an ass out of herself as often as I've wasted my check at the honky tonk, and palin-bashing, particularly on the subject of her intellect and awareness of issues, is as ubiquitous as the police, so its kinda like "a billion chinamen cant all be wrong"; that every bit of the hate is entirely unjustified

PS
bristol palin vs miley cyrus nekkid oil wrasslin
who wins?


The thing that gets me about Palin is that no one is criticizing what she did while in office. Maybe the rape kit nonsense but that is far from a notable criticism.  If you really have a good look at her accomplishments in the offices she held it is hard to not admire her.  At least that is the way I see it.  All of the BS is about her kids or something other than her performance in office.  I remember reading two long articles about exactly what she accomplished in office and continue to admire what she did.   
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

The Gonzman

The thing that gets me about Palin is that no one is criticizing what she did while in office. Maybe the rape kit nonsense but that is far from a notable criticism.  If you really have a good look at her accomplishments in the offices she held it is hard to not admire her.  At least that is the way I see it.  All of the BS is about her kids or something other than her performance in office.  I remember reading two long articles about exactly what she accomplished in office and continue to admire what she did. 


Most the BS I have seen, at least in this movement, can be boiled down to "Ewwwww... icky girl." I've seen no evidence presented to me that convinces me that if she was a man, she'd get the same criticism.

For a movement founded in opposition to a "Good Old Girls" type of mindset, and the product of such a poisonous, my gender first right or wrong, philosophy - it's pathetic.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

Mr. X


The thing that gets me about Palin is that no one is criticizing what she did while in office. Maybe the rape kit nonsense but that is far from a notable criticism.  If you really have a good look at her accomplishments in the offices she held it is hard to not admire her.  At least that is the way I see it.  All of the BS is about her kids or something other than her performance in office.  I remember reading two long articles about exactly what she accomplished in office and continue to admire what she did. 


Most the BS I have seen, at least in this movement, can be boiled down to "Ewwwww... icky girl." I've seen no evidence presented to me that convinces me that if she was a man, she'd get the same criticism.

For a movement founded in opposition to a "Good Old Girls" type of mindset, and the product of such a poisonous, my gender first right or wrong, philosophy - it's pathetic.


I agree with you on this point. Same goes for Bachman and that O'Donnel woman. Bill Clinton did a little pot in college and he's a hero. O'Donnell, like lots of teen girls, goofed around with witchcraft... which is supposed to be hip with liberals... and she's a wack job.

But I think Palin screwed herself when she quit the governorship. She should have stuck it out. Male candidates have also faced harrassing lawsuits and redundant ethics charges and didn't run away.
Feminists - "Verbally beating men like dumb animals or ignoring them is all we know and its not working."

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