Men and whining

Started by Daymar, Dec 13, 2003, 11:45 PM

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Daymar

People say men aren't allowed to whine about being discriminated by their gender because they're looked at as being weak if they do. Well why then is that different when men whine about being discriminated by their skin color? Tonight I saw a brown skinned man (middle eastern or Indian) stand up and whine on national TV about how the patriot act is discriminatory towards non-whites. The fact that he is complaining about something should show that he's weaker, right? No, he's looked at as being righteous. The reason being that society presumes that he has less power then a white person which is the same reason women are able to whine because they are perceived as not having as much power as men.

So, that means in order for men to be allowed to whine about being discriminated against for their gender they must be perceived as being less powerful then something else, by society. I think in order to do that there must be some sort of public databases created that shows the cases in which all men are actually discriminated against.

Until men are perceived as being weaker then something, like the state, then all those writers who focus on attacking feminism wont have much firepower behind their arguments. It's like they're using sling shots instead of the bazookas the feminists and blacks are using because men are still perceived as being the powerful group. And if men are the powerful group then it makes no sense for them to have issues with anything because if they did, they could just change it, right?

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So, that means in order for men to be allowed to whine about being discriminated against for their gender they must be perceived as being less powerful then something else, by society. I think in order to do that there must be some sort of public databases created that shows the cases in which all men are actually discriminated against.


Which I imagine must be pretty awful for men.

Because the feminist propaganda machine has managed to portray (white)men as the oppressors, the upholders of patriachy, holding all the power - and probably responsible for womens inability to buy cute yet comfortable shoes - they have also created the perception that men should have no problems and therefore nothing to complain about.

I do see a lot of what you are saying - that if a man complains about racism then he is listened to, but if a man complains about being treated badly in another situation he is considered weak and unmanly. Which when you consider that quite a few feminists whine about men not showing their emotions, is hypocrisy.

This situation of mens concerns being ignored or trivialised is exactly what some feminists claim is done to them.
It also encourages the notion that because men discriminate, then they cannot be discriminated against - which to me is as ridiculous as saying that women can't be sexist, and non-caucasions can't be racist.

I also think that it's pretty horrible to have to be seen as weaker than something in order to have your complaints taken seriously.
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LSBeene

Its not "WHINING".

I don't think it's "whining" when men talk about injustice.  If someone can strip away my rights, put me in jail, take away my children, make me pay for children that are not mine, etc etc then it is not "whining" to protest these and other injustices.  The problem is that it is so ingrained in our society that men should not decry injustices against them.  Even men I work with have no clue what a dangerous position they are in, in many facets of their life.  

Steven
'Watch our backs at home, we'll guard the wall over here. You can sleep safe tonight, we'll guard the door."

Isaiah 6:8
"Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"

Daymar

I know it's not whining but when someone who is in a perceived or not perceived position of power if they have a complaint about something it sounds like they're whining. If someone is better off then someone else then they shouldn't have any reason to complain. And that's the perceived image that men have. Men are perceived to be in a position of power so that means men have no reason to complain about anything. This is of course wrong but that is still the public perception.

LSBeene

True GMK1212

But here it is in a nutshell.  I am an AVERAGE white guy.  I am not at the top of some political hill, I am not running a corporation, I do not legislate laws, and I am subject to all the laws.  And I understand what you are saying.  The PERCEPTION is that men, specifically white men, but any man will do, have power over women.  It's being taught in our schools (primary, secondary, and college) and being reported by our media.  The REALITY is that men have to watch what we say, be careful who we date (just as women do - lets have an honest discussion), have laws applied to us that do not apply to women, and so on and so on.  There is still taught in schools this guilt by historic association.  Which in and of itself is ALSO pure bullshit.  Written out of history are good men who struggled against bad men for the real reasons it happened.  Written out of history is how Africans captured others Africans and sold them into slavery, written out of history is how Islam was spread by the sword (while leaving IN the books when Christians did it), written out of history is countless stories (they would be boring anyways) of good marraiges where both worked to further their lives and love was in the home.  When the "multi-culturalists" are rewriting history into herstory and scrubbing the record clean of western accomplishments, the rad-feminazis and their ilk are painting men with a false colored brush.
'Watch our backs at home, we'll guard the wall over here. You can sleep safe tonight, we'll guard the door."

Isaiah 6:8
"Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"

Rayden

I believe men have legitimate arguments.  The family courts are biased toward men, giving custody to the mother 90% of the time, divorce can be initiated by the woman and the laws are such that the man can lose everything, even if judged as "irreconcilable differences", the medical treatments for men are feminized, i.e. prostate cancer (if you want to prevent prostate cancer, just have frequent sex or wack off often, doctors use to recommend this, but not anymore), men have a lot of stuff against them, and have a right to voice outrage against it.  Now, you take men like me, and, whoa, women realize you just came down from the fathership--smart enough not marry, know the truth about women and their predatory nature, realize that most women are sexually dysfunctional and have severe mental disorders, which need to treated as such, but instead are classified as "well that is just how women are", and you got some firepower behind the men that have really suffered, so get ready for the big time "whine" fest.  Things are going to change.

InternetDevil

Quote from: "LSBeene"
The problem is that it is so ingrained in our society that men should not decry injustices against them.  Even men I work with have no clue what a dangerous position they are in, in many facets of their life.


Feminism and discrimination against men give most modern women very great benifits.  And men complaining against discrimination threatens these benifits (even if now few men are "whining" their number may increase greatly when discrimination increases) -- and most women will do anything to stop men from demanding equal rights.  And accusing men of being unmasculine works for now.

I am not saying women are evil.  How would any of us feel about giving up 50% of our 40K-80K/year income to save a 30 starving people in poor nations?

Daymar

"How would any of us feel about giving up 50% of our 40K-80K/year income to save a 30 starving people in poor nations?"

What?

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