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nebulousone

I was also reminded of Shrew on the thread about having kids...you said something about not wanting to be pregnant, ever.
i]Most folks are as happy as they make up their minds to be.[/i]
~Abraham Lincoln

nyet

I am shrew.

Which also makes me Cat Six.

Who got banned from Ms. because I could think.

They hated facts there.

Galt

I kind of thought you were Shrew too.  I remember even talking to you back on the old CNN message boards in some incarnation of CatSix or the like.  Welcome back to SheThinks Part II.

Galt

<<Mutual respect is far better than deifying a person as if they are perfect. The only result of worshipping someone is the disappointment one stifles every day at the knowledge that the other person isn't perfect. No one is. So, instead of lying to yourself and pretending they are, why not just respect each other for who you really are?>>

This is a really good point.  People are not cartoon characters.  Deifying someone is a good recipe for disaster, because eventually that person will not meet the cartoon-like requirements that you place on him or her.  Real people are real people, and the concept of deifying someone leads to a sharp break when that person is found out to be ... an actual person (bending is usually better than breaking).  Real life is real life and it's not a novel.

Galt

This deification attitude is also a reason why cheap novels like Harlequin Romance sell so well.  There seems to be an increasing trend among some young women to take the approach of "I'll wait until a real man is there - surgeon/race car driver/model with the necessary pocket change to treat me like the princess I am", while simultaneously treating any and all men in her environment like the worthless losers they are (in her eyes).

Many grow out of this when they hit their mid to late-30s.  Some never do, and that's exactly why I see some men (rightfully?) complaining about the attitudes of some Western women.  I don't know if they get this stuff from the media or where, but the attitude DOES exist in young women, I suppose one could only debate the extent to which it exists.

The problem for the women who are under this spell is that they may not recognize exactly who is coming along.  A handsome, charming law student seems to fit the bill - but that's what Ted Bundy was.

neoteny

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I have already told you that I was 'the only poster ever to be banned from Ms. Magazine solely for being capable of rational thought.'  [...]


That's isn't much to say; I would imagine that a load of people banned from the MSBoards would claim the same, including:
Luckynkl (don't forget, she was banned multiple times)
Mar Iguana
Lynne
Alsis
Bean
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The spreading of information about the [quantum] system through the [classical] environment is ultimately responsible for the emergence of "objective reality." 

Wojciech Hubert Zurek: Decoherence, einselection, and the quantum origins of the classical

The Gonzman

A lot of people get hung up on the word "slut."  And, in a large respect, people should.  It's an insult of tremendous magnitude.

Multiple sex partners alone does not a slut make.  Want to be one?  Here's a few things to do:

1 - Use your sexuality as a commodity.  Unlike a whore, don't accept money, but use it to obtain goodies, favorable treatment, and to get your way paid.  In many cases, the vague promise of a possible future hook-up may be sufficient.

2 - Talk often and frequently about your sexual past.  Provide lurid and explicit details.  Compare and contrast performances of current and past lovers.

3 - Always make sure your current thing knows that the minute a better catch comes along he's yesterday's news.

4 - Frequently vocalize your desires to "fuck the legs off" of other guys you find attractive in the presence of your current thing.

5 - Depersonalize the man you are seeing - make sure he and everyone knows he's your "thing" or "boy-toy."  Never man, boyfriend, et. al.  If you start thinking of him as a person, you might (gasp!) treat him like one.

6 - Hand in hand with #1, use sex as a weapon.  If you don't get your way, withhold it.  For added impact, go have a one-nighter with someone else.  To keep things really exciting, do this randomly, hoping he'll apologize for something you didn't catch him at, and that he'll buy you something to make up.

7 - Deride every gesture your partner makes.  Insure that he thinks he's always falling short somehow.

8 - Hold a double standard, and make him abide by it, or see #6.

9 - Constantly demand attention, and time it so that he has to choose between you and final exams, missing a trip he's been looking forward to for months, going to work on an important day, and so on.  Don't do this in time to change these plans, do it as he's getting ready to walk out the door on that day. Pout and have a snit for at least a week afterwards.  Go have a grudge fuck.

10 - Be constantly late, or change plans at the last minute without informing him.  Claim you told him.

11 - Don't let him have any time to himself.  Demand accountability 24-7.  See #8 above as well.  Claim that for you to do it is stifling and oppressive.

12 - Rehash the past at any and all opportunities.  Magnify every detail, and ignore all evidences to the contrary.

Do all or most of these things, and when he walks out, you can continue to feel justified in thinking that all men are scum, and immature commitmentphobes.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

D

I just thought you had to be 'messy'.  Which I am.  :D

nyet

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That's isn't much to say; I would imagine that a load of people banned from the MSBoards would claim the same, including:
Luckynkl (don't forget, she was banned multiple times)
Mar Iguana
Lynne
Alsis
Bean


Everyone else on that list can be said to have at least in some manner returned fire with the insults thrown at them by the Ms.eries.

That's something I never did in the entire time I posted there.

Galt

Nah, Shrew, I also posted as "Galt" over there once - I couldn't imagine being authorized now under that name or a variant - and I went out of my way not to insult or anything else (although I got "FUCK YOU" as a response a number of times) ------- and I certainly got banned.

You simply can't give your opinion over there if it conflicts in the least with the narrow interpretation of feminism.

Galt

There was also a very smart person named "Shodan" or the like posting over there - he really knows his stuff, particularly with regard to economic issues - and he also got banned (as far as I know, in any case he was subjected to the typical victim treatment and "fuck you's" over there).  

That's a loss that they never understood.  It's like throwing pearls before swine - they don't recognize the value.

Galt

By the way - that was a good post, Gonzokid.

Sir Jessy of Anti

I agree with Ambers perspective on this, but only because it works for me.

I find that having sex without a relationship, while still feeling physically 'good', also feels meaningless and cheap.  Many people laugh at me when I say this.  Sometimes it has felt so meaningless that it leaves me feeling dirty and causes me to regret having the sex in the first place - even if the girl was attractive.  This doesn't mean that what works for me will work for everyone.  My gf has said this to me as well, so I can only assume other people think this way.  

Nyet, from your own posted definitions of worship - Ardent devotion; adoration. ;  I think that's what Amber means when she uses the word, and frankly that's a damn good ideal for both parties in any relationship IMO.
However, due to it's negative connotations, I can definitely see where you are coming from.  People are not gods, and will not always live up to 'hero' ideals.
"The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master." -- Ayn Rand<br /><br />

Daymar

I prefer relationship sex too. Casual sex is what I call just getting rid of the urge. Maybe I just like relationship sex because I like to snuggle though and girls don't seem to like to do that until they've been with you for a while. I don't know why I like that so much.

Sir Jessy of Anti

"Casual sex is what I call just getting rid of the urge."

Well put.
"The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master." -- Ayn Rand<br /><br />

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