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[nyet]

Jessy said:
Nyet, from your own posted definitions of worship - Ardent devotion; adoration.

Those words still conjure up the image of believing a person to be perfect, that they can 'do no wrong'. I see nothing wrong with being devoted to a relationship with someone, or even loving that person immensely, but to worship someone carries a whole lot of baggage.

I stand by what I said: I want to respect someone I'm in a relationship with, and I can't respect someone who worships me.

gmk1212 said:
Casual sex is what I call just getting rid of the urge.

When that's the kind of sex I want, that's what I have.
When I want a relationship, that's what I have.

So many people think you can have one or the other all your life. It's either just casual sex, or just relationships.

I find that I can have both, just not at exactly the same time.

Edit to fix typo.

[Rayden]

Considering that men lose all their rights in marriage, and that women can easily divorce men for any reason and take men for everything they have, making dating for marriage null and void, I have to agree with Nyet.  

And Amber, maybe you want to reflect on this parable:

Jesus told the parable of the tax collector and the Pharisee who went into the temple to pray. The tax collector, who extorted taxes from fellow Jews to support Roman rule of Israel, went into the temple, beat his chest and tore his clothes, and said, "Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner." The Pharisee prayed, "Lord, I thank you that I am not a sinner like that tax collector. I tithe and follow all the religious rules." Jesus says, "I tell you, it is the tax collector who left the temple justified."

[Galt]

I read that parable, Rayden, and I think it is interesting -- but I think that you are absolutely wasting your time directing anything towards Amber.  Won't say anything more because I don't want to get banned.

[Rayden]

First, I could care less if I get banned (not that I will try to get banned for verbally abusing people, like Amber did to me) , this is by no means my life.  

Second, if people cannot except free exchange of ideas on here, then they need to change the introduction on the beginning of this site.

[Rayden]

Oops, I wrote "except" instead of "accept".  I need to use that preview button more.

[Daymar]

You can edit your post by clicking edit.

[nyet]

Shodan doesn't post at Ms. anymore, that I know of.

He's around on at least one other forum. And he is a smart dude.

[Sir Jessy of Anti]

Considering that men lose all their rights in marriage, and that women can easily divorce men for any reason and take men for everything they have, making dating for marriage null and void, I have to agree with Nyet.  

I read a funny quote today, "Marriage is a great institution, but I'm not ready for an institution. (Mae West)"  LOL

Well anyways, I laughed.   I don't think there is anything wrong in dating for marriage or a serious relationship (even given the marriage strike) because the 'good ones' still exist, even if we were to liken the job of finding one to the hunt for an extinct species.

And Amber, maybe you want to reflect on this parable:

Jesus told the parable of the tax collector and the Pharisee who went into the temple to pray. The tax collector, who extorted taxes from fellow Jews to support Roman rule of Israel, went into the temple, beat his chest and tore his clothes, and said, "Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner." The Pharisee prayed, "Lord, I thank you that I am not a sinner like that tax collector. I tithe and follow all the religious rules." Jesus says, "I tell you, it is the tax collector who left the temple justified."

Umm do you think Jesus was just trying to protect the monied interests of the state?  LOL.  Just kidding.   :twisted:

[Daymar]

I'm just not really seeing the point of legal marriage. You could say you should get married if you want to have kids but the only reason you should become legally married rather than being married without becoming registered as being married (like cohabitation) is for the tax breaks. Assuming you will have a happy marriage and never get divorced, what other positive reason is there for getting the state involved in your marriage?

It seems like the only reasons to get the state involved is because of other state intervention, like the last name your kids carry or so the state doesn't sieze your assets if your spouse dies and you're not legally married so the assets go to the state instead of you. If the state wasn't involved in that area the assets of the deceased would be doled out to another family member and your kids would take your name whether they were forced to legally or not.

[Amber]

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[Galt]

<<This is mostly for those of you who insist that a person who has conservative values on dating/marriage must necessarily must be some type of prude and/or an ugly stiff who can't get dates.>>

I'm not sure anyone is really saying that.  Maybe I missed something.

I think that's a strawman.  It has more to do with telling other people what they should or shouldn't do and, in fact, in a very narrow sense and without a base of real-life experience.

[Matt]

The funny thing is, once any male, see her values...and somehow it gets out...they FLOCK to her. Now, she is very attractive...blonde, tall, thin, but I know it is her assurance that she is worth much more than a casual romp in bed and that is what shows.

This is the type of woman I'd be drawn to if I were to ever consider being drawn to one again. And it's for exactly those reasons. I thought I was abnormal for a while, but it's nice to see that others have the same mindset.

[closetrightyNYC]

This is mostly for those of you who insist that a person who has conservative values on dating/marriage must necessarily must be some type of prude and/or an ugly stiff who can't get dates.  

"Amber,

I loved you points on dating and marriage and KNOW that you are right. I am an older woman who grew up during the wild 70's and just knew deep down that it was self destructive to jump in and out of relationships i.e. sex instead of just dating and enjoying someones company. Fortunately, I met my husband in college and he believed the same way as I did and we have been married almost 33 years. We have a 24 year old daughter who could have written the same article as you. In college, she witnessed all this hooking up and drinking and it turned her off. She is looking for a lifetime partner in marriage and is not having sex until she is married. She has a wonderful boyfriend with the same values. The funny thing is, once any male, see her values...and somehow it gets out...they FLOCK to her. Now, she is very attractive...blonde, tall, thin, but I know it is her assurance that she is worth much more than a casual romp in bed and that is what shows.
Just wanted to let you know that there is a growing awareness "out there" that there may be another way to happiness than many sexual partners that lead to low self esteen and very low probablilty for fulfillment."

:bareit:  :bareit:

Interesting...Enter "Jenny" from Forrest Gump.  Many of the critics say that it is, in fact, a conservative movie: Jenny was miserable while getting high and sleeping around, developed emotional baggage as a result ("Forrest you wouldn't want to marry ME"), and is finally happy when she settles down with one man in a traditional family--but only after her promiscuous days have destroyed her.

[nyet]

Amber said:
This is mostly for those of you who insist that a person who has conservative values on dating/marriage must necessarily must be some type of prude and/or an ugly stiff who can't get dates.

Nice straw man you built there, Amber, but nobody said that.

What you seem to be missing is that the type of lifestyle you think is perfect doesn't work for everyone. Each person must do what works for him or her individually to live a happy and fulfiling life.

If someone else wants to wait until they get married to have sex, then I have nothing whatsoever to say about it. And they shouldn't look down their nose saying anything to me if I choose differently.

You understand yet?

[Amber]

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