Rebecca Haeglin

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Jun 16, 2010, 08:45 AM Last Edit: Jun 16, 2010, 08:51 AM by The Gonzman
Looks like one of the Right Wing Witches has swooped down on her broomstick to piss on father's day and take a hatchet to men.Alrighty, then.  My turn now.

I want to address something to all the "Good Christian Women" out there.

Ladies, grab hold of one ear.

Good.  Grab hold of your other one, too, now.  Got a good grip?  Okay.

NOW PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS.

There's an epidemic of stupidity among you all, to wit: You are all big on the whole "Man Up" routine but when anyone proposes altering the Social or Legal status quo in such a way as would make this possible, you oppose it.  Then you chowderheads - every last pair of swinging tits of you - blame men for not doing it.

I get the whole "Be in the world, not of it."  It's fine, but there's a point when it becomes blinkered stupidity, such as when you imagine that chanting that somehow makes you immune to civil laws and secular society.

Let me take the case of Jim and Pam to illustrate my point.  I knew Jim and Pam from way back.  They met in the Baptist church, courted, and got married.  I was one of the attendants.  I toasted them at their wedding, and they were the textbook Christian couple.  Jim worked as a factory foreman, and Pam part-timed at a dress shop and did some volunteer work with the ladies of the church.

Pam got pregnant, stopped working, and Jim started taking overtime.  Pam had the baby, and by that time Jim was putting in 60+ hours a week.  Plus lunch, plus travel.  Often he was gone almost 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. 

Jenny was their neighbor, who attended a "progressive" new-agey church who blessed gay unions and all the politically correct things.  She waitressed evenings at a nightclub, and when Pam was home days, their relationship progressed from waves "hello" and short small-talk chats to morning coffee, shopping trips - an adult to talk to.  And boy did Jenny talk.  She ran Jim down.  He was never there for Pam.  Never did "his half."  Left her "all alone" with the baby.  Not a frontal attack, but the usual "poor dearing" when Pam was frazzled.  This eventually bled into spats where Jim was a sonofabitch if he didn't come home and immediately start in on "his half" of housework and diaper-changing.

Just shut up and let me finish.  I know what you are saying and that is not the point.

Pam turned into a seething ball of resentment, and the marriage grew strained, with her kicking him out of bed to the couch - which Jim, as a "loving and understanding" husband did, but with his own resentments.  They went to couples counselling at their church, which was "Beat up the man" almost word for word your man-bashing screed, Becky.  Let the girl win.  Weaker vessel, be more gentle, loving, and understanding, yadda, yadda, yadda.  Pam wanted to take classes, wanted to do some home improvement, needed "me time" so Jim agreed.  To pay for it, Jim had to do some double shifts.  Sometimes every other day.  "He's not there enough, I want, he has to work more to pay, "ME, work?  I'm a Full. Time. MOTHER!"

More resentment.  When he wasn't away working at night, she was off in "enrichment" classes or book clubs.  She needed space, loving and understanding Jim gave what she DEMANDED.

Intimacy went to zero.

And then it came out that some of those nights had been spent in Jenny's nightclub where Jenny first encouraged Pam to "enjoy it when a guy flirts with you" to full on adultery.  After 3 months of no intimacy - rejected by Pam - Pam turns up six weeks pregnant.

BUT WAIT, there is MORE!

What happened when Jim wanted a divorce?  Pam dragged him to more counselling, where he was browbeaten by the ladies of the church to forgive his wife, she is sorry for her sin, think of your vows, she wants to rebuild things, it's Christ-like to forgive, that child is innocent, you shouldn't publicly shame your wife, scandal of divorce, etc. etc. etc.

You know the drill, Rebecca.  Something tells me you'd have fit in well with the church ladies.

So Jim stayed with her.  For three years.  And she refused to have another child "until they were right" and finally they had a blow up, where Jim shouted at her "I've taken your little bastard you had with another man as my own, but you won't give me another child?"  Two days later, Jenny drove her to get an ex parte restraining order - she was "afraid" of what Jim might do to "her child.".  Jim was out of his house.

I won't bore you with the litany of the divorce, which Jim - dumbass, even after all that - tried to fight, and she stonily refused to negotiate.  He lost his house, and is still paying for half.  He's paying support on a child not even his, and she's taken up - or brought out in the open - her former relationship with that child's father.  It's six years later, and he is a mess, emotionally and financially, and was ostracized from his church for the "scandal."  She's going to the "progwessive" church now.

This is just the background.  So I will ask you this - what would you have had Jim do?

He tried talking, counselling.  He forgave her betrayal.  He even set himself up to be the father of a child not his (Man up! Man up!)  He never laid a hand on her, worked his ass off, provided for her, his son, another man's son adulterously concieved, gave her what she asked for.

Specifics, Rebecca.  Not your banal platitudes, and generalities. How specifically could Jim "gone into battle" more for his family?

I'd have bet on them.  Jim - decorated Desert Storm Vet, never a Hell-Raiser or womanizer.  Pam a 3rd generation choir-girl.  While I can't speak for them, if you had told me that they were both virgins, I'd not have any evidence to contradict it.  In fact, Becky, Pam once called Jim "the first and last man for me."

So how would you arm Jim, Rebecca?  He talked, begged, pleaded, reasoned, and prayed.  (Or did he miss his prayers one night after working a sixteen hour shift, so God said no?)  He laid down the law.  I can hardly think of anything more loving or forgiving than to take an adulterine bastard as your own and raise it. He stood with her when she denied him affection and didn't force himself on her. 

His church threw him to the wolves.

He had no legal leverage.  No fault, community property, her misbehavior irrelevant to the proceedings, so on, s forth.

"For the sake of the Chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiildren......"

He's undatable.  He works a job and a part time job to keep a small apartment and a beater vehicle.  All you "Good Christian Women" cluck about how unfortunate he is, and urge him to keep plugging away and be the man.  Some woman will see him for what he is - someday.  When his obligations are through. When he can provide for you alone, and you not have to live on his income less $1,700 a month child support.  Just not you.  Maybe hen he is fifty and too late to start a new life, eh?  But you can enjoy his retirement as if you were there through the bad times?

I bet if I proposed changing the law so her bad behavior was relevant, so that her groundless protection order was relevant against her, so that she didn't have virtual automatic gaurantees of custody and property, or so that a man known not to be the father of a baby wasn't on the hook for supporting it, where a man known to be the father was identifiable - I'd be called anti-woman and a misogynist.

Of course, I'm sure you "aren't for" what Pam did - but change the social or legal status quo so that she was accountable for it?  OH, THE HUMANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's a movable goal, Becky, because no matter how far Jim went, you'll just claim "he didn't do enough."  That's how I know the goalposts move with you "Good Christian Women" because trying to get you to say "Where is far enough, then?" you dodge.  I'd have an easier time nailing jello to a wall.

Or maybe it's his fault for choosing a bad woman.  Really.  I'm not a fan of "Marriage - The Secular Institution", but Becky - I'd have bet on Pam.  Pam got poisoned.

And Jim had to tools or support to fight against it.  Because feminists long ago, progressively nickel and dimed them away.  Because some women are abused.  Because the child is innocent.  Because, because, because.

Every step of the way, Rebecca, we warned you.  We told you what vile snakes these feminists asking for "just this one little thing, it's Oh So Reasonable" were.  They told you their agenda - to destroy the family - and you turned a deaf ear.  When we fought back against them for the ravening wolves they are, you got offended "because they are still LADIES!"  You told us to tie our hands because of that.  You begged and cajoled us "Well, this isn't a bad thing, we'll just stop with this.  Well, this.  Okay, that."

And when we did fight anyway, you called us wimps, scared of strong women, your turned your backs on us, and worse yet, sided with them - SIDED WITH THEM - as they encroached and took away our male spaces, our ability to provide for our family, to defend them, to be the authority of the family, and said we weren't necessary.

You betrayed us.

And now you have the nerve to accuse us?  Woman, heal thyself.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

Factory

Wow.  Can I steal this?

poiuyt

... but it still comes back round to whom, by gender, created the opportunities, the systems, the cultural logic and the moral reasons why paradise on earth is deemed worthy for these feminists, these christian women, these ladies of faith, these wives, these daughters, these sistas, these aunts, neices, and mothers regardless of their character, their behavoiur or their conduct ?

... and the answer my friend, as reluctantly and as painfull it is to admit it, for the self destroying treachery and shame of it, is WE !

The Gonzman


Wow.  Can I steal this?


By all means.

It will need editing.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

The Gonzman


... but it still comes back round to whom, by gender, created the opportunities, the systems, the cultural logic and the moral reasons why paradise on earth is deemed worthy for these feminists, these christian women, these ladies of faith, these wives, these daughters, these sistas, these aunts, neices, and mothers regardless of their character, their behavoiur or their conduct ?

... and the answer my friend, as reluctantly and as painfull it is to admit it, for the self destroying treachery and shame of it, is WE !


Lord, man, your penchant for finding a man to blame for everything is of feminist proportions.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

BRIAN

I just read that womans whole screed. I had to laugh at it because if a man did any of that stuff he would promptly be arrested for DV and jailed. Then I laughed at the part about the dangers of porn and how a man should shower his wife with unconditional love. So she thinks it's all on the men and then makes a backhanded attempt to control male sexuality to boot. Once again a female fails to have any introspection as to her part in the problems she is pointing out.
You may sleep soundly at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence upon those who seek to harm you.

The Gonzman

I just read that womans whole screed. I had to laugh at it because if a man did any of that stuff he would promptly be arrested for DV and jailed. Then I laughed at the part about the dangers of porn and how a man should shower his wife with unconditional love. So she thinks it's all on the men and then makes a backhanded attempt to control male sexuality to boot. Once again a female fails to have any introspection as to her part in the problems she is pointing out.


Like I said, pretending the laws of the world that is lived in don't apply.

Must be nice to live in Becky's world.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

Man_Of_Honor

It is a disgrace for what the church treated the man. Funny how they wanted the man to forgive the woman for her marital unfaithfulness, yet be quick to dismiss the man even though he was being a loyal and faithful husband. God sees the actions of these individuals and he will judge in accordance to those actions.

The Biscuit Queen

I find it in extreme bad form to take the day set aside to honor someone and use it to chastise them. Can you imagine the outcry if we did this on Mothers Day? Maybe we can do a parody and change the genders on this article and send it back to them.

Men are doing plenty. I would say there are a lot of problems with marriage and family and children these days, and I would NOT lay it at the feet of fathers.

Gonz, your friend Jim deserved better than that, and I am ashamed for our churches that Pam was allowed to behave like that and be supported in it. My pastor's wife once told me "If you don't love your husband, someone else will", and she meant it. There is a core group of us who feel that we are privilaged to have our husbands, and should act like it. But there are too many others who refuse to see this and carry out an entitled attitude. Any parent who has the privilage to stay home with the kids should be very thankful every day for that opportunity.

I am afraid our churches as a whole are no better than society any longer. That is a real shame.
he Biscuit Queen
www.thebiscuitqueen.blogspot.com

There are always two extremes....the truth lies in the middle.

The Gonzman

This is what happens, though, when God is reduced to the Hippy Cliche of "God is WUUUUUUUUUUUV!"  You get loads of "Neither do I condemn you" and not a lick of "Go and sin no more."

All these women like Becky here want this "Men as leaders!" stuff -and maybe they do.  Maybe they really do.  Maybe if a strong husband puts his foot down, and says "Becky, you will stop even talking to that woman; no more coffee and shopping, she's poisoning you!"  and she'd be all swoony and doe-eyed at the manly jut of his jaw - but Becky there is not all women.  Or most women.  Hell, she's a small fraction of women who say "Well, no real woman would do that!  ****I**** would never do that!"

I'm sure the Pam (Names have been changed) of fifteen years ago would look in horror at her current self.  The fact is, though, she changed, and she changed largely because she was never held to account for her actions.  While their Baptist church was a "No drinking or cussin or dancin" church, it wasn't a "woman be silent" church.  Couples counselling was done by the pastor, his wife, and a select few married couples who talked and prayed about it.  It was the women who urged "look at her side of it."  It was the women who insisted the child was an innocent.  It was the women who nagged, and scolded, and shamed Jim into letting his name go on the birth certificate. Despite poiuyt's knee-jerk "Blame the man" reflex (And you might get more engagement, boyo, if you learned to play more than one key on that piano), it's women banging the drum for this.

The whole notion of calling on men to exercise leadership - but giving them no tools of authority, making them dependent on whether the crowd to be led "feels" like it- is just as dumb as a box of dicks.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

Mr. X

I'm not religious at all so I don't know any church stuff but one thing that puzzles me about the story - where was the church condemning Pam the wife? She works her husband to the bone, has an affair, has a bastard child but then the church does NOT apply its standards to her. The husband gets the church ruler upside his arse for nothing but the wife gets no condemnation.

Feminism must really have a hold on churches if the cornerstone of patriarchy blames men and never lays a hand on women.

And what's even more funny is I doubt that progressive church is any different when it comes to men. In fact worse.

Conservative church - women are helpless victims so blame the men and let women do what they want.

Progressive church - women are empowered so blame men and let women do what they want and celebrate it.
Feminists - "Verbally beating men like dumb animals or ignoring them is all we know and its not working."

poiuyt

You GONZO and others only PRETEND to want to blame women and feminism as a solution to the problem of rampant genderism.

This PRETEND game of blaming women and feminism, as a solution to rampant  genderism has gone on for so long, as to itself furnish the key-notes of the broken record of which you speak.

Your society will continue fucking YOU over, because being fucked over is a condition a majority of your fellow men continuously accept as a good condition for you.

These women and feminists you only PRETEND to blame, have simply accepted their undue advantage, their undue high status, their undue profit and their undue opportunity for more mischief because YOU and a majority of your fellow men gave it to them !

So lay off these bad women and the parasite and puppet movement that is feminism if you please. They have only taken and accepted what YOU and a majority of your fellow men offered them for free and withouth question.

And YOU and a majority of your fellow man gave it to them for nothing in return for your own gender.

Answer dat bubba ...

Mr. X

Seems to me market forces work in a church as well as any place else. Who is the church catering to... who is their most important customer... women.

Seems the church is so frightened of alienating women that they will screw men in the process. That is christian thinking... men raised to seek the approval of women. You are not a real man unless women approve of you so the church caters to women.

Perhaps men need to start leaving the church. Men need to make men aware that the church is a raw deal for men. The church does not recognize when men work 60 hour weeks or double shifts yet looks the other way when women commit adultery. Walk away. Say goodbye. And these men would not be walking away from their faith, they would be walking away from a church that abandoned the faith.

I agree that conservative women don't have much more for us men than liberal women do. They maybe a bit nicer but that doesn't mean much. We men still exist for their convenience... the definition of a patriarchy.

The core problem is we men believe getting women's approval is the key to our sexual identity and we men need to realize its not. Women are not the dipsticks that measure men. For example the other men in the church should be praising the husband for working double shifts. Most men would never do that.

BTW I hate to say this but if I ever want to score.... I find married xtian women. They will up and fool around like there is no tomorrow. When you have men raised to seek the approval of women its a huge boost to your ego when some woman will denounce her husband to sleep with you. Its an extremely powerful incentive.

Feminists - "Verbally beating men like dumb animals or ignoring them is all we know and its not working."

The Biscuit Queen

I guess I just go to a rare church. Our pastor holds EVERYONE accountable, himself included. Women are held accountable to their roles in the Bible, and on every Mothers Day he reads the women's responsibilities as laid out in the Bible and encourages us to live up to those. We are very much NOT feminist, NOT gay 'friendly', and are pro-family. Homosexual sex is a sin accourding to both old and new Testiments, and to purposefully live in sin is not Christian. Assuming your spouse owes you and that you are entitled to take advantage of him is likewise a sin.

We are very lucky to have found this church. This widespread trend towards liberal, feminist thought is not Christian, it is worldly. The Bible is not all about pleasing women, it is about pleasing God. Society has made it about pleasing women, because that is what society cares about. The Bible is pretty clear on how women are to behave, and I can say that in practice there are very few real Christian women out there.
he Biscuit Queen
www.thebiscuitqueen.blogspot.com

There are always two extremes....the truth lies in the middle.

The Gonzman


You GONZO and others only PRETEND to want to blame women and feminism as a solution to the problem of rampant genderism.

This PRETEND game of blaming women and feminism, as a solution to rampant  genderism has gone on for so long, as to itself furnish the key-notes of the broken record of which you speak.

Your society will continue fucking YOU over, because being fucked over is a condition a majority of your fellow men continuously accept as a good condition for you.

These women and feminists you only PRETEND to blame, have simply accepted their undue advantage, their undue high status, their undue profit and their undue opportunity for more mischief because YOU and a majority of your fellow men gave it to them !

So lay off these bad women and the parasite and puppet movement that is feminism if you please. They have only taken and accepted what YOU and a majority of your fellow men offered them for free and withouth question.

And YOU and a majority of your fellow man gave it to them for nothing in return for your own gender.

Answer dat bubba ...


You, dude, are nothing more than another voice in a long line of voices striving to let women off the hook.  People like you are the reason hitmen get the needle, and the wife who hired him to kill her husband serve five years, when, if anything, it should be the other way around.

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And YOU and a majority of your fellow man gave it to them for nothing in return for your own gender.


This is so contrary to fact that "laughably absurd" is woefully inadequate to describe it.  It's worse than pathetic.  With a couple hours of research and cut and paste - and no more a resource than fucking wikipedia - I could name the Presidents and Members of Congress since 1920 who have been the ones to do this.  With a week, or even a couple of days with a RA It could be made into an even smaller list by vote, to exclude the ones who voted against it and demonstrably "did not give it to them."
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

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