Men's Rights Activists

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MortalMan

#15
Dec 15, 2003, 09:15 PM
Good God, girl! You started something with this thread.

All I'm gonna say is I agree with some of your articles and disagree with others.
From what I can gather by reading what the others post about you, when it comes to the people that disagree with your posts you seem to have a closed mind and an unwillingness to concede they might be right.
Even partially.
There are legitimate reasons many men have the opinions that they do.

Now....y'all continue as you were....
ember and Grand Poobah of Patriarchy Secret Society Lodge Local #303....

Amber

#16
Dec 15, 2003, 10:49 PM
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Whatever you say, little girl.



God, you are the most condescending, angry person I think I've ever met.  

yes, SJA, I have and DID say the same thing about feminism, i.e. the stupid notion of "women's rights" OVER AND OVER AGAIN, especially when in COLLEGE, where I started an ANTI FEMINIST club.  

I disintctly remember an article I wrote when my club was first trying to gain status as a club.  My mission statement said "we advocate individual rights and will focus specifically on gender issues."  I got told that this was "too much like the mission statement of the feminist clubs" therefore I could not have a new club.  I wrote this big long article about it, and how the feminist notion of "women's rights" is GROUP rights and is distinctly DIFFERENT from a person who says "we will advocate individual rights as applied to gender issues."

Anyway, you guys are so completely ignorant of my  history and activism.  You are reacting to one or two articles of mine - for no good reason at all.  It doesn't matter.  None of what I say matters when trying to get through to people who have the type of brain that a brute like gonzokid has.  And, no, I will not edit that previous sentence unless Dr Evil calls on Gonzo to edit his posts where he called me a hag, and on and on.
he men's movement is a hate movement.  

What feminism is to men; the men's rights movement is to women.

Men's rights activists blame misandry for all their problems in the same way that feminists blame the patriarchy.

The only thing men's rights activists are good at is abusing women.  

And you can quote me on that.  :D

Amber

#17
Dec 15, 2003, 11:00 PM
From what I can tell, gonzokid hates me for nothing other than being a 23 yr old female.  The fact that he presented as an "argument" to me the idea that I'll be a "hag" in 20 years while he'll be a stud in 20 years is just ... bizarre first of all, and proof of the fact that since I am young and therefore relatively sexually attractive, he hates me.

Whatever.  You have issues gonzokid.  Major, major issues.  Yes, I am closeminded mortal.  See why I am closeminded?  Would you want to deal with a brute like this?  Would you want to deal with psychoes from an interent forum IMing you over and over, trying to yell at you (nyet)?  Would you put up with people calling you names?  I'm justified in ignoring the people I ignore.  They offer little to me ... why should I consider their hateful, non-valuable opinions?  Anyway, that ignore list now includes Gonzo.  And before you start calling me closeminded ... go through all his posts to me, and see if he has anything valuable to say to me.  Is this something I'm supposed to be "open" to?  Pssshhhha!  It's only going to cause good.  Gonzokid is not the kind of person you can have a rational conversaion with.  Me ignoring him is a good thing, as it will just cause the forum to go to the shitter if I engage with him or anyone like him.  

Anyway, I'm done talking about this ... as my position on mens rights activists is very clear, and, well, I'm the one who has some access to media to get my articles out there, and am going places, and many of the rest of you seem to instead to prefer to do nothing but hate on people and try to destroy people... and, well, you're NOT going anywhere ....
he men's movement is a hate movement.  

What feminism is to men; the men's rights movement is to women.

Men's rights activists blame misandry for all their problems in the same way that feminists blame the patriarchy.

The only thing men's rights activists are good at is abusing women.  

And you can quote me on that.  :D

MortalMan

#18
Dec 16, 2003, 01:25 AM
Actually Amber, from that one post I can now better understand where your coming from. I can, to an extent, understand and sympathize. That doesn't mean you should completely close yourself to the occasional bit of constructive criticism.

<I know! I know! It's do hard to filter from all the destructive criticism. Life's weird like that.>

On another note- I find your Objectivist worldview to be an interesting filter. But I'll admit I am pretty much ignorant as to what it's all really about.

The only -ist I adher to is that of being an Individual Realist.

Or was that Real Individualist....

Ack! Whatever.....
ember and Grand Poobah of Patriarchy Secret Society Lodge Local #303....

The Gonzman

#19
Dec 16, 2003, 03:44 AM
Got news for you, little girl.  I'm published too.   :jump:

Oh, horrors, I'm on ignore.  Woe is me, I've angered a feminut.  Alas, alack, whatever shall I do?

You go right ahead and call me all the names you want - notice to Doc Evil, too, I really don't give a fat rat's behind if someone does "name call" me, so please don't edit on my account.

God allmighty.  Take a midol.  You and Karen DeCoster are two of a kind.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

LSBeene

#20
Dec 16, 2003, 04:22 AM
I got a question for everyone?

I Karen DeCostner the woman who was on Time Magazine about a decade ago when she was the "poster child" for Date-Rape?  I am curious.  The reason is, she was the person who came to my campus when I was in college.  After I had stopped dating a girl like 3 weeks earlier the girl went to a lecture with Karen DeCostner and THAT NIGHT decided that our sex was a "rape experience".  I have a kinda personal hatred of this chick.  She told the women at our college that "if you had sex, and didn't like it, it was probably rape".  (*that was in the college newspaper)  The fact that the lying scumbag who I had dated had to RADICALLY CHANGE HER STORY was irrelivant.  The fact that the local ADA HERSELF told me that she would argue against charges is just a mark of my "bedevilling wit".  I really really really have an axe to grind against this PROPAGANDIST.

sorry ... just had to toss this in.

Steven
'Watch our backs at home, we'll guard the wall over here. You can sleep safe tonight, we'll guard the door."

Isaiah 6:8
"Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"

Beste

#21
Dec 16, 2003, 04:54 AM
Are you sure this person was Karen De Coster ??

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/coster1.html

LSBeene

#22
Dec 16, 2003, 05:02 AM
I think so.

I remember at the time remembering her name.  I thought her last name was "COSTNER" and I am pretty sure it was Karen for a first name.  I COULD be wrong, but I doubt it.

Steven
'Watch our backs at home, we'll guard the wall over here. You can sleep safe tonight, we'll guard the door."

Isaiah 6:8
"Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"

NealGold

#23
Dec 16, 2003, 06:30 AM
LSBeene, to quote you:

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She told the women at our college that "if you had sex, and didn't like it, it was probably rape".


Then that qualifies me to accuse several women of rape.

Interesting thing when you turn rhetoric around on its fat ass.  It becomes The Absurd.
A man conscious of his strength, observes Nietzsche, need have no fear of women. It is only the man who finds himself utterly helpless in the face of feminine cajolery that must cry, "Get thee behind me, Satan!" and flee. The normal, healthy man...still keeps a level head. He is strong enough to weather the sexual storm. But the man who cannot do this, who experiences no normal reaction in the direction of guardedness and caution and reason, must either abandon himself utterly as a helpless slave to woman's instinct of race-preservation, and so become a bestial voluptuary, or avoid temptation altogether and so become a celibate." -- H.L. Mencken on Nietzsche's philosophy of women

Sir Jessy of Anti

#24
Dec 16, 2003, 07:25 AM
Steve, I don't think this is the same person.  She would have had to have undergone a radical political shift in order to be the person she is today.  I just can't see it.  

Also I searched the Time archives (since 1985) and found nothing.
"The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master." -- Ayn Rand<br /><br />

Matt

#25
Dec 16, 2003, 07:26 AM
Quote from: "NealGold"
LSBeene, to quote you:

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She told the women at our college that "if you had sex, and didn't like it, it was probably rape".


Then that qualifies me to accuse several women of rape.

Interesting thing when you turn rhetoric around on its fat ass.  It becomes The Absurd.


You'll like this then:  8)

http://www.mattweeks.com/calscrape.htm
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Sir Jessy of Anti

#26
Dec 16, 2003, 07:54 AM
"Can you imagine the implications of this in the hands of an overly litigous society and a particularly liberal activist section of the country? Instead of the usual shouted utterances mid-coitus, partners will now have to be screaming, "I'M GIVING MY CONSENT TO THIS! I'M DISAVOWING ANY LEGAL LIABILITIES TO YOU! YES!!!""

:lol:
"The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master." -- Ayn Rand<br /><br />

Renegade

#27
Dec 16, 2003, 08:21 AM
Since I do visit this board somewhat frequently I believe that I can at least state my opinion in the matter. Here is how I see things:

In our modern society, females have already established the right to do whatever they want and *choose* to be able to do whatever they want. In other words, *being* a woman means to have the RIGHT to *have* rights, freedoms and privileges and the RIGHT to *choose* when to apply these rights, freedoms and privileges when they see fit.

Now that that is established, people, like Amber, want to "reinforce" the gender roles. Females should stay as females (i.e. a "person" with the right to have freedoms, privileges and choices) and males should stay as males (i.e. retain their roles as a masculine person, provider, protector and cater to the needs/comforts of women).

So, Amber's form of "Men's Rights" is to have the genders act within their own roles, completely oblivious to the idea that today, being a "woman" already means to be virtually free of responsibility, while having choices, rights and freedoms.

That is what it looks like from Amber's articles that I have read.

R
"A man chooses. A slave obeys." What if a man 'chooses' to obey, because he is met with scorn, shame and ridicule and rendered a social outcasts if he does not?

Galt

#28
Dec 16, 2003, 08:45 AM
Actually, I think it's worse than that.  She wants to further increase men's responsibilities ... just because she wants to.

For example: Men today still have the right to choose whether to get married or not.

A writer named Darren Blacksmith wrote an article calling marriage into question.  She blew a massive fuse against him on these boards, laying into him with cussing insults.  I've also been called a misogynist (among other names) because I think that marriage is really something to consider today for men, and I have seen those attacks on other people for the same reason.

It almost seems as if the fact that men can choose ANYTHING to structure their life in the way they want infuriates her - they have responsibilities, after all, and her future husband better toe the line.

There are other examples of this desire to actually further restrict men's ability to make any decision at all in their lives.

Sir Jessy of Anti

#29
Dec 16, 2003, 08:50 AM
I agree Galt.  We should point them out so she understands what it is that we take issue with.  Then again, because she already KNOWS everything and can't possibly just have an OPINION, she probably won't listen.
"The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master." -- Ayn Rand<br /><br />
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