The MRA's Court: Should This Father Have Faced Arrest At All? (VIDEO)

[TheDude]

OK, well, you've done all you can do. Thanks.

Your welcome.  Good luck with your bet in Pascal's Wager.

I'll join the nit-picking spirit here, it's "you're", not "your".

If you mean the idea that if there isn't a God, there's no loss in believing in him, but if there IS a God, you're up shit's creek if you don't believe in him, this is what I think:

Would an omniscient God actually be as petty and vengeful as in the Old Testament? If you don't bow down and worship him, he will torture you forever? Or more like an understanding God in the New Testament. It seems like the latter picture fits in more with being omniscient and full of love.

So if that's the case, I think a little bit of wondering what is REALLY happening in the universe may be excused. Especially because no one has unshakable, unwavering faith unless they're moronic.

[TheDude]

And who knows ... maybe God doesn't like manipulative suck-ups who are just pretending to believe in him to get an advantage.

[The Gonzman]

OK, well, you've done all you can do. Thanks.

Your welcome.  Good luck with your bet in Pascal's Wager.

I'll join the nit-picking spirit here, it's "you're", not "your".

"Your Bet" is the possessive, "You're" is the contraction  of "You are."

No charge for the 4th grade English Lesson.

If you mean the idea that if there isn't a God, there's no loss in believing in him, but if there IS a God, you're up shit's creek if you don't believe in him, this is what I think:

Would an omniscient God actually be as petty and vengeful as in the Old Testament? If you don't bow down and worship him, he will torture you forever? Or more like an understanding God in the New Testament. It seems like the latter picture fits in more with being omniscient and full of love.

Yeah, you might want to reread that New Testament again for the references to "the Devil who seeks to devour you, "  Gehenna, the lake of fire and several of the parables of Jesus himself - among other things.

Granola munching, hippy, buddy Jesus is pretty much a modern fiction that has never been. 

But if "Universal Salvation" is true, it's still no loss to me.

So if that's the case, I think a little bit of wondering what is REALLY happening in the universe may be excused. Especially because no one has unshakable, unwavering faith unless they're moronic.

The irony being that a belief in "It ain't so" is just as unshakable, unwavering leap of faith as the other.

[TheDude]

"Your Bet" is the possessive, "You're" is the contraction  of "You are."

"You're welcome" is short for "you are welcome".

Maybe someone else here can chime in, the Internet also supports what I am saying.

It's a minor matter, but I see people all across the Internet misusing "you're - your" and "their - there - they're" etc. Continually.

[TheDude]

The irony being that a belief in "It ain't so" is just as unshakable, unwavering leap of faith as the other.

Then you fundamentally misunderstand what I am saying. I am not an atheist, I'm saying I don't have all the answers as to how the universe works. I don't have an unshakable belief that God does not exist. In my opinion, that's all anyone CAN say in the end. I DO find people who tell me every little detail of how and what God thinks to be funny.

The level of assumptions and attributions to people on this board is nothing short of amazing.

[The Biscuit Queen]

Gonz and I are both right according to the Bible. God loves everyone. We are all sinners. He loves the thief, the adulterer, the rich, the poor, the murderer, the pastors, the nuns. He loves us all.

He hates the sins. The theft, the adultery, the lust, the sloth, the pride, the greed.

God, according to the Bible, gave us free will. We can choose to live to the best of our abilities in the word of God and with our hearts given over to God, or we can choose not to.

We choose our consequences.

I sometimes have to discipline my children because they do bad things. I love them, and it hurts me to do it, but I do so because it is the right thing to do. A good parent disciplines in love.

You all can choose to believe or not believe in God, the Bible, or anything else. No one here is claiming you have to follow one belief or not post here. It is your choice. We may tell you what we believe will be the consequence, but no one is beating others about the head with it.

*******The issue at hand is whether the school is allowed to tackle complex moral issues prior to the age where children can critically think and form their own opinions. *********

Personally I encourage questions from my kids because I came to the faith through critical thought, and I want my kids to have that same certainty. I want them to question, and think and discover answers. If they choose a different path than I, then that is their choice. It will hurt me if that choice is one which leads them to harm, but it has to be their choice eventually. I will still love them.

The school does not care. The school has no investment in my child. My child would be a number in a seat to that school district. They care about their agenda, nothing more, nothing less. The school is not qualified to make moral decisions for my child outside of basic rules of conduct, and those rules of conduct are decided and voted on by elected representatives.

This is not about what we feel is right or wrong in our homes, and it is not about religious indoctrination. It is about who has the right to make those choices for your children. In my opinion, it is NOT the state run schools.  

[The Biscuit Queen]

TheDude,

Christians all believe we were given a manual which tells us about God; what he is like, what he thinks about things, and his rules to live by. We can tell you with certainty what he thinks because he told us. You can choose not to believe us, but if we got these things out of the Bible then in our eyes they are true.  I am not going to couch every phrase I say with "I believe" because in my mind what I am saying is more than my belief.

[The Gonzman]

The irony being that a belief in "It ain't so" is just as unshakable, unwavering leap of faith as the other.

Then you fundamentally misunderstand what I am saying. I am not an atheist, I'm saying I don't have all the answers as to how the universe works. I don't have an unshakable belief that God does not exist. In my opinion, that's all anyone CAN say in the end. I DO find people who tell me every little detail of how and what God thinks to be funny.

The level of assumptions and attributions to people on this board is nothing short of amazing.

What's amazing is the irony.

You don't have to be an atheist to say "Ain't so."  One church teaches that there is a Hell, and people go there; the other teaches universal salvation.  "There's no Hell!  A Loving God wouldn't send people there!" Ain't so!"

No Atheism there.

So I don't fundamentally misunderstand you at all.  Okay, you don't have any belief in scripture, or the Christian Religion.  Fine and dandy.  You'll never see me on your doorstep trying to sell you the Vatican Observer or anything.  Practice Santiera.  Sacrifice Goats.  I really don't even care if you open a Bar and Grill and put a sign on the door "Papist Catholic Scum Not Served."  If you want to make a list of every sin in the Bible, and violate every one that doesn't have a criminal penalty attached to it - and raise your children to do so - You go right the hell ahead.

Your unshakable, unwavering leap of faith that there's no way I can be right is the irony.

Like I said, if lil' ol' me, who has no say on your eternal soul, is somehow threatening to you when I say "You shouldn't oughta do those things" - Therapy is in order.

I accept the church teachings of Hell and the Nature of evil.  If you think Hell, a personal devil, free will, and all that is a bunch of rot - that it ain't so, regardless of whether you believe they are something else or not at all - that's your biz.  Long as you aren't misinforming people on what my church teaches, what you believe is of no threat to me because I don't believe it.  I don't believe in predestination.  I don't believe in universal salvation.  I don't believe in reincarnation.  And until your belief in them picks my pocket or breaks my leg.

Oh, Wow.  Gonzo says if you keep doing that or tell God to fuck off and die that you will wind up in Hell.  Well, hush my mouf.  Call out the SWAT team.  Get a restraining order.  Stand back, Dude, or I'll tell you that it's important to go to church on Sunday!  I'm serious - one move, and I'm pulling the trigger on it....  TOP OF THE WORLD, MA!!!!!!!!  TOP OF THE WORLD!!!!!

Cracker, please.  Get a grip.

Zetamale was going fine until he crossed that line of picking my pocket or breaking my leg - "I don't want my children to learn the Bible" is one thing, but when you go to "and you shouldn't be allowed to teach it to yours" it's another.

[BRIAN]

My thoughts are that I don't want any sexuality taught to young children. The the thought of teaching heterosexuality to 5 yearolds either on the simple premise that it steals their childhood from them. Sex ed should begin around 12 about the time of the onset of puberty. And sex ed should cover nothing more than how pregnancy occurs and the facts on contraception and venereal disease. That's it nothing else because anything else is getting into indoctrination.

[Cordell Walker]

My thoughts are that I don't want any sexuality taught to young children. The the thought of teaching heterosexuality to 5 yearolds either on the simple premise that it steals their childhood from them. Sex ed should begin around 12 about the time of the onset of puberty. And sex ed should cover nothing more than how pregnancy occurs and the facts on contraception and venereal disease. That's it nothing else because anything else is getting into indoctrination.

exactamundo
I went through indoctrination in public schools. It sucks
PS WTF are youdoing up so early?

[The Biscuit Queen]

I think their point would be that by assuming the status quo of "mom and dad" you ARE in effect teaching sexuality.

The issue is that there is a reason heterosexuality is the norm. Because it is the only way to produce children.

Even now, when there are all sorts of medical procedures to change how things are done you still need an egg from a woman and a sperm from a man. Even two women having a baby had to involve a man and two men having a baby has to involve a woman.

With how many different types of homes, between grandparents, single moms, 2 parents, blended, etc, the kids all know there are different family structures. Having 2 dads won't phase most kids today. So why does the school feel the need to not only force this material, but to hide it from the parents until after it has been given. With email it cost the school very little to send out a quick heads up.

[The Gonzman]

Oh, looking back I also noticed I dropped a couple letters, forgot a period, inserted a letter, violated the "I before E" rule, and have inserted spaces here and there.

You might want to get on that.

[Cordell Walker]

Oh, looking back I also noticed I dropped a couple letters, forgot a period, inserted a letter, violated the "I before E" rule, and have inserted spaces here and there.

You might want to get on that.

Im gonna report you to whitehouse.gov
lil mao wow wont be pleased when he hears of this

[neoteny]

PS WTF are youdoing up so early?

It's a full moon; instead of baying at it, I post to SYG. 

[Cordell Walker]

PS WTF are youdoing up so early?

It's a full moon; instead of baying at it, I post to SYG. 

its like mid afternoon where you are isnt it?