Marines don't want to share rooms with gays: general

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Marines don't want to share rooms with gays: general


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The overwhelming majority of Marines oppose sharing sleeping quarters with openly serving gays and lesbians, an obstacle if Congress lifts the ban on gays in the U.S. military, the top Marine said on Tuesday.

Marine Corps Commandant General James Conway, a vocal opponent of ending the military's 17-year-old ban on openly serving homosexuals, told Pentagon reporters of the standing policy: "We'd just as soon not see it change."

"But again, we will follow the law, whatever the law prescribes
," Conway said.

The existing Clinton-era policy allows gays and lesbians to serve in the military if they keep quiet about their sexual orientation, but expels them if it becomes known.

The repeal of the policy, known as "Don't ask, Don't tell," is championed by President Barack Obama and gay rights advocates, who see it as a milestone in a campaign for equal rights in the United States. Critics say it will add strain to a force already stretched by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Although the Marines have criticized ending the ban, many within the military favor allowing homosexuals to serve openly, including the top U.S. military officer, Admiral Mike Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

"We sometimes ask Marines what is their preference and I can tell you that an overwhelming majority would like not to be roomed with a person that is openly homosexual," Conway, who is retiring in the fall, told reporters.

He said there was not enough funding to create single rooms for all Marines but suggested one possibility would be to recruit volunteers to share sleeping quarters with homosexuals, since a minority of them do not oppose ending the ban.

"Perhaps, you know, a voluntary basis would be the best place to start, without violating anybody's sense of moral concern," he said.

The Pentagon has surveyed troops and is currently polling spouses for a Defense Department study due by December preparing for a potential repeal of the "Don't ask, Don't tell" law.

"My own surveys indicate that it's not age-dependent, it's not rank dependent, it's not where you're from," he said, adding that repeal was "pretty uniformly not endorsed as the ideal way ahead."

That said, Conway was explicit that the Marines would lead the way in repeal if it were enacted.

"We're going to have to lead in this too. There will be a 100 issues out there that we have to solve if the law changes in terms of how we do business," he said. "We cannot be seen as dragging our feet, or some way delaying implementation."
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Captain Courageous

As usual ... screw morale! Another minority feels it can work the system.

The Biscuit Queen

There is a REASON there are separate barracks for men and women. Pretending a gay person is the same as a hetero person and can room with the gender they find attractive is ridiculous. Might as well let men and women room together. Now there should be 3 separate barracks: Men, women, and gay/lesbians. Since they don't find each other attractive there should be no problem with them rooming together.
he Biscuit Queen
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There are always two extremes....the truth lies in the middle.

Captain Courageous

I was once visiting New York's Greenwich Village. I passed The Erotic Baker's window. One of the cakes had a Caucasian buttocks on top of it, with a tattoo of The Marine Corps logo on the right butt cheek. I wonder what it meant? [Do they still call "Code Red"?]

The Biscuit Queen

Now that I think about it, how will you room gays or lesbians together? Gays are attracted to each other, so you cannot put them together.

Maybe you could put one gay and one lesbian together, but then you would need two person rooms. I think the cost would be prohibitive.

There really is no way to do this that won't put a person in a room with someone who is potentially attracted to them.

I think that this is going to be a mess.

he Biscuit Queen
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There are always two extremes....the truth lies in the middle.

outdoors

 it will be the straight hetro's that will suffer the descrimination-you cannot upset a gay-but to upset normal men,is just fine and par for the course

The Gonzman

it will be the straight hetro's that will suffer the descrimination-you cannot upset a gay-but to upset normal men,is just fine and par for the course


Bingo.  It's always the loudmouthed whiney minority types that demand you accomodate them and treat them with special sensitivity.  What?  Assimilate into the mainstream?  How fascist!

And this also includes peoplewho aren't really part of a minority, but part of an Offishulley Rekognizzed Minority.
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Mr. X

So if its OK to bunk gays with straights even though gays would technically be attracted to other men (cause dats the definition), then we don't need separate quarters for men and women since clearly if we can bunk people who are attracted to each other and there's no problem then there would be no problem bunking women with men. There. Case closed.

And Outdoors is right. Gays won't be bothered but straights will be and straights will be ignored in favor of a tiny minority. Its always straights and men who have to back down, always have to take a step back, always have to yield their privacy and souls. You never see this demand of women. Just wait till women take a back seat to gays then watch the sparks fly.
Feminists - "Verbally beating men like dumb animals or ignoring them is all we know and its not working."

Captain Courageous

We always leave this to the military to face alone. Like "it's their problem" and not ours.
I'm not pulling that"get up off your asses and take to the streets!" routine; but I am saying a letter, emails, phone calls or all of the aforementioned can and should be sent to both elected and appointed officials. You can bet gays and lesbians are doing that and more, while we shake our heads in astonishment.

Mr. X

With all the things that are problems why is everything reduced down to either gays or abortion? Gays don't give one flying f&ck about straight men, why should anyone care about them. Heck they don't even care about other gays. Muslim cultures KILL gay people but you don't see one gay person protesting a mosque.

Feminists - "Verbally beating men like dumb animals or ignoring them is all we know and its not working."

The Biscuit Queen

I read the most disturbing article in Time magazine at the dentist. One chart showed "The history of intolerance in America" Seriously, as if the US track record is so horrible compared to the entire middle east, the Soviet nations, the Asian nations, or African countries. My son Tom and I were just shaking our heads. The article said Muslims are discriminated against here; no increased violence, but there is hate speech.

I said "That's interesting, because in Muslim nations you can be killed for being a Christian or gay, and it is legal".

Hmmm. I wonder who it is that hates us so bad that Time hires to write these articles. If the US is so horrible, why are so many people literally killing themselves to come here? If we are so intolerant why is it that NO group has to worry for their safety here. Why are there laws protecting these groups over the majority population?  How is it that we are even discussing building this Mosque practically on top of ground zero? Can you imagine trying to build ANY church in Afganistan? It would be blown up before 3 bricks were down.

I am so sick of hearing how bad we are.
he Biscuit Queen
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There are always two extremes....the truth lies in the middle.

Captain Courageous


I read the most disturbing article in Time magazine at the dentist. One chart showed "The history of intolerance in America" Seriously, as if the US track record is so horrible compared to the entire middle east, the Soviet nations, the Asian nations, or African countries. My son Tom and I were just shaking our heads. The article said Muslims are discriminated against here; no increased violence, but there is hate speech.

I said "That's interesting, because in Muslim nations you can be killed for being a Christian or gay, and it is legal".

Hmmm. I wonder who it is that hates us so bad that Time hires to write these articles. If the US is so horrible, why are so many people literally killing themselves to come here? If we are so intolerant why is it that NO group has to worry for their safety here. Why are there laws protecting these groups over the majority population?  How is it that we are even discussing building this Mosque practically on top of ground zero? Can you imagine trying to build ANY church in Afganistan? It would be blown up before 3 bricks were down.

I am so sick of hearing how bad we are.


Damn good post BQ! Good points,

Mr. X


I am so sick of hearing how bad we are.


Yup. Progressives are like a spoiled brat rich girl who hates her parents so much she runs out and finds the scummiest drug dealin, wife beating loser, gets knocked up by him just to get back at her parents.

Muslims are just useful idiots to these people, a bat to club us over the head with.
Feminists - "Verbally beating men like dumb animals or ignoring them is all we know and its not working."

Captain Courageous

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Muslims are just useful idiots to these people, a bat to club us over the head with.


Spot on! Without Muslims, they'd have to fall back on Bahai's (after all that Pirate thing with the Somalis didn't work too well).

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