End of MensNewsDaily?

Started by Pacman7331, Aug 28, 2010, 07:14 PM

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Pacman7331

For about a week or so the MND site has seemed to slag. Now it seems it's caving in:

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2010/08/28/mnd-to-retire/

If I understand this correctly this means the site is going to abandon the cause.

This is my comment I left:

"I don't really understand the article. But if Mensnewsdaily.com is going to abandon the Mens rights movement - I can only say - how disappointing. This sort of "give up" pattern seems to really obliterate the mens movement - I don't know exactly where it comes from but I have some ideas - and unfortunately it seems a reoccurring pattern in this club. Suffice to say this sort of behavior is probably the only one reason why men can't seem to fight back against feminism and the matrix.

Any refugee's are welcome to visit my little blog "The Majestic Blah" - just click my name should lead you to it. If MND really is throwing in the towel - I encourage all others to not follow suit.

My 2 cents."

PaulGuelph

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Aug 28, 2010, 09:39 PM Last Edit: Aug 28, 2010, 09:50 PM by PaulGuelph
I didn't understand the explanation as to why the newspaper is ending.  Did anyone get that?  :dontknow:

A big problem with The Men's Movement is that supporters liken it to a war or a football game.  We fight for a while.  We win.  Everyone goes home.  So when they don't see a clear victory even after several years, they give up.

Instead, it is more like setting up and contributing to a service that continues indefinitely to give voice and power to men's issues and concerns.  It is our gift to the next generation and the next after that.  Other men will (hopefully) continue our work after we are all dead and buried. :engel2:
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neoteny

I didn't understand the explanation as to why the newspaper is ending.  Did anyone get that?  :dontknow:


Well, it looks like they're switching content; they go mainstream 'news' as opposed to special interest group (MRAs/activist men) stuff. It is selling out, but they have the right to try to turn the fruit of their work into cool cash. Lots of people lost lots of their retirement funds recently and realized that neither the govt. nor the private "wealth management" industry will fix them up for their "golden years" so they better make some dough in a hurry.
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The Gonzman

I understand perfectly why.
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dr e

I don't get it.  Feminism has gotten much worse so now MND will become Hawaii News?  What did I miss?
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DLove

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Aug 29, 2010, 08:03 AM Last Edit: Aug 29, 2010, 08:11 AM by DLove

I understand perfectly why.


Gonzo - for those of us here that remember the early years of MND, the crash and burn,  the reorganization and less we forget, even your own space for your eloquent commentaries, how swiftly nine years has passed. Yes the bullhorn was there albeit not in the direction most wanted (his blog) but inquiring minds would like to know just how did we get from there to here with shuttered doors and what possibly could emerge from these new  ashes. Would you please share with us your insight? Ya don't have to use real names of course.

:angel4:


DLove

The Gonzman



I understand perfectly why.


Gonzo - for those of us here that remember the early years of MND, the crash and burn,  the reorganization and less we forget, even your own space for your eloquent commentaries, how swiftly nine years has passed. Yes the bullhorn was there albeit not in the direction most wanted (his blog) but inquiring minds would like to know just how did we get from there to here with shuttered doors and what possibly could emerge from these new  ashes. Would you please share with us your insight? Ya don't have to use real names of course.

:angel4:


DLove


There's an evolution of activism.

First it is your own problem.  Then the problems of those near to you.  Then it moves outwards.

Mike Talks about governance feminism, which is similar to what I have been saying for years.  Don't blame women, blame feminists, don't blame feminists, blame establishment feminism, don't blame establishment feminism, blame their leaders - then ask yourself - what is their agenda.

I reached is point probably about 3 years ago. 

Three words:  VAWA Joe Biden.

The vice president of the United States is VAWA Joe Biden.  But how many "MRAs" voted for Obambi?  How many wailing about Sarah Palin and her use of the "Glass Ceiling" Metaphor - and yet, they voted for the ticket with VAWA Joe Biden.  Feminism, Establishment Feminism.

So who are they in bed with?  Who is being fought?  Who is not being fought?  Who is the enemy, and who is in bed with them, aiding and abetting them - ON PURPOSE?  As part of their agenda?

Feminism wails about Rape and Sexual Harassment.  Who did they give a pass to?  What party?  And what party was the woman who they said "You should be at home with your children?"

You do the math.  All the variables are there.

Feminism achieved its success by becoming both a single issue voting bloc, and a pragmatic voting bloc, willing to take things in increments.

Men's activism places men's issues on the back burner  (Gee, I don't like this guy's position on corporate welfare; ick, he's a she), lets the best become the enemy of the good, and demands total reform now - or nothing.

Mike is tired of trying to drag people over the line.

So go ahead and hate your buddy who is married and accuse him of shoving it in your face.  Go ahead and hate the sympathetic woman because she doesn't "get it" perfectly.  Go ahead and hold your buddy in scorn for being married, or having a wife who stays home.  Go ahead and vote for the clown who is actively hostile to your issues rather than the woman who might be sympathetic.  And so on, and so forth.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

DLove

Great answer, BUT being that even in the beginning men have only come to sites like MND and others (here) as a result of personal experiences that left them bitter and angry - looking for an enemy to vent their pain, in the current paradigm of "I'm only interested when and if affects me"; how is it possible to as you say "drag those across the line" when most cannot see such a long range goals? The pain, anger and hurt is immediate and demands swift retribution and answers. Lastly, why and this reminds me of a T-shirt design I made - a pic of John Q. Public with his head up his $ss, if politics at least in western cultures is about picking the lesser of two evils how can (without bloodshed) mens issues ever reach social consciousness while slow dragging new and old converts towards a long range consensus...heck is it even possible? When men are sick and tired of being sick and tired we do what we only know how to do best (sound of a shotgun being cocked).


DLove   

PaulGuelph

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Aug 29, 2010, 10:12 AM Last Edit: Aug 29, 2010, 10:43 AM by PaulGuelph
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A big problem with The Men's Movement is that supporters liken it to a war or a football game.  We fight for a while.  We win.  Everyone goes home.  So when they don't see a clear victory even after several years, they give up.


So Gonzman, my initial hunch was correct.  Should we call it burnout?

Well, it was a great effort while it lasted.

If the idea was that MRAs were going to swing presidential elections, I think that his expectations were way too high.  Plus I think that MRA stuff should be set above politics and not be part of a drive against the Democrats.

People did not vote for Biden.  They voted against Bush, whose legacy was two wars and a recession.
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The Gonzman

If the idea was that MRAs were going to swing presidential elections, I think that his expectations were way too high.  Plus I think that MRA stuff should be set above politics and not be part of a drive against the Democrats.


Feminists own the Democrats.  To say otherwise is the nadir of wishful thinking.

You have to go against the agenda, and to do that you have to go against the people setting the agenda.

Which means you have to motivate their opponents to take your side.

Telling the Donks, "Hey, alienate that reliable voting bloc by taking up my agenda" is dumb. Telling the GOP "Well, I'm going to vote for the other guys, but be a sport and take up my cause" is dumber, especially because if you elect the former, all the Gopers on your side don't make a lick of difference.

You have to decide what is more important to you - being a parent, not getting raped in family court, not being discriminated against and demonized - or electing the buttfucker who is slipping the meat to you because you WUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUVS the Democrats.

If the latter - bend over and stop complaining.  You are only getting what you asked for.
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Tigerman

I think it ended some time ago - it lost it's 'daily newspaper' styl;e some time back and with it my (and I'm sure many others) interest.

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The vice president of the United States is VAWA Joe Biden.  But how many "MRAs" voted for Obambi?  How many wailing about Sarah Palin and her use of the "Glass Ceiling" Metaphor - and yet, they voted for the ticket with VAWA Joe Biden.  Feminism, Establishment Feminism.


Not me, but I would guess a significant number who post at Mensactivism.  

With the demise of MND it now appears that SYG and Mensanctivism will be the two main (remaining) MRA/FRA web sites.  There are a lot of Youtube channels like Paul Elam's "A Voice for Men," and of course, there are a number of good blogs and web sites like RADAR, GlennSacks.com, Misandry Review, Ifeminist, Antimisandry, Carey Roberts, etc.  There should be one big web site like MND to bring them all together, or at least list and link them.  Some here don't like Ifeminist, some don't like Mensactivism, some don't like Antimisandry, but the common ground we have is huge.
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Feminists own the Democrats.


They are major shareholders along with: Marxists, Communists, trade unions, media outlets, school teachers and administrators, the entertainment industry, GLBT groups.
Life, Liberty, & Pursuit of Happiness are fundamental rights for all (including males), & not contingent on gender feminist approval or denial. Consider my "Independence" from all tyrannical gender feminist ideology "Declared" - Here & Now!

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I don't get it.  Feminism has gotten much worse so now MND will become Hawaii News?  What did I miss?


The "functional" MRM just hasn't grown as it should have, but rather withered over time.  Men continue to be beaten down and those walking wounded and their supporters have grown tired and burned out.  

Burning out is the eventual demise of most activists that doen't have major (corporate?) funding.  MRA's/FRA's have done fairly well, considering they were battered, abused, wounded, homeless, broke, etc. to begin with.  Was the MR movement just a flash in the pan, or with the relentless oppressions of gender feminism will it continue to produce new dead broke/beatdead victims.  Meanwhile, deadbroke/beatdead men litter the sidewalks, carhomes, and social institutions of western society in abundance.  I suspect they will continue to be relentlessly manufactured by the taxpayer funded, gender feminist hate machine?  

I think the MRM will be with us in one form or another for some time to come as the creation of the male underclass will continue unabated under misandrist monsters like Obama.
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