Let's all get together and mutilate for Harmony

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Sir Jessy of Anti

Malaysia moots cross-cultural circumcision

By Jonathan Kent
BBC, Kuala Lumpur  

Malaysia is to consider using mass circumcision ceremonies to promote racial harmony.
Circumcision is a rite of passage for young Muslim boys, and in Malaysia it is common for the ceremony to become an event with dozens, or even hundreds of boys being circumcised together.

Now the prime minister's religious affairs adviser has suggested that circumcision can bring Malaysians of all races and religions together.

Dr Abdul Hamid Othman said that with the growing popularity of circumcision among the country's non-Muslim minorities - who see it as good hygienic practice - they too could be invited to join in the celebrations with their Muslim friends.

He believes the idea could promote better race relations and he wants to see a nationwide circumcision ceremony organised.

Just over half of Malaysia's population is Muslim, mainly members of the ethnic Malay community, while the country's Chinese, Tamil and tribal peoples follow a variety of other faiths.

The government has been exploring ways of stopping the different groups from drifting apart, including the introduction of a national service scheme which begins in February.

"The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master." -- Ayn Rand<br /><br />


That's kind of weird. Awhile back I read a study that said circumsision doesn't really improve anything and it actually removes a large amount of sensitivity for the man. There were a few men they quoted in the study that had got circumsised after they were 25 or so and they said they felt like they'd been robbed. A couple of them were performing treatmens to have their remaining skinned stretched back over but I guess in the foreskin there is some specific nerves that only exist in the foreskin so if you get curcumcised those nerves are lost forever.


Why is it so hard for people to accept that you do not cut off a properly functioning part of another person's body without that person's consent?

It's not like they're removing a tumor, so why the hell should a parent be deciding 'Hey, my kid don't need that body part. Take it off!'

If someone really wants a cosmetic surgery like that, then let them decide, when they are an adult.

Shit, I think unless there's some serious medical problem that would cause dysfunction, it ought to be illegal to circumcise anyone in the US without that person's express consent. And no baby can do give it.

Sir Jessy of Anti

The 1995 FGM bill in the US specifically excluded infant males.  

I think this is a tough problem because it is so institutionalized in our society.  Many men will want their son to look like daddy, and many women will want the aesthetic look, as well as the easier cleaning that comes with an infant male child.  This doesn't even include religion.  It's hard to change because it is a problem on so many levels.  There are a few people interested in seeing change.  For anyone unawares there is the intact video @ http://www.intact.ca/vidphil.htm .
"The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master." -- Ayn Rand<br /><br />


South Africa circumcision deaths

Five traditional surgeons have been arrested by South African police after the deaths of some 20 youths from botched circumcisions in the past few weeks.

Another 100 have been injured - some having been severely beaten during the initiation rituals.

The young men in the eastern Cape belong to the Xhosa ethnic group for whom circumcision is considered part of the passage into manhood.

The authorities say the problem stems from the growth of illegal initiation schools.

The BBC's Carolyn Dempster in South Africa says demands are growing for tighter regulations to control initiation practices.


A law was recently introduced requiring initiation schools to be licensed and only allowing circumcisions to be performed on youths aged 18 and older.

But Eastern Cape provincial Health Department spokesman Sizwe Kupelo told Reuters news agency that boys as young as 11 had died.

Each year thousands of young men go into the bush alone, without water, to attend initiation schools.

Many do not survive the ordeal.

In some cases circumcisions are performed with blunt, unsterilised knives, and there are severe punishment beatings for forgetting parts of rituals.

The operations are performed in the winter when South African schools are on holiday.

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