Started by Amber, Dec 17, 2003, 10:41 PM
My response to Amber's response:I am wondering if the problem isn't a question of labels then. I am starting to think that what I define as "Men's Rights Activist" and what you define it as are different. I remember this speech teacher I had who I had a lot of respect for. She was strong in personality and articulate in speech. She and I got along very well. One day I asked her if she was a "feminist" as she had a lot of strong opinions on men and women. She responded "first ... you define what you think a feminist is, and then I will tell you if I am a feminist or not". That answer has always stuck with me, and I think it is why we can't see eye to eye now. To ME, an MRA is a person who is advocating for equality when feminists have distorted what "fair" and "unfair" are. To me, an MRA is a person who educates other men on potential dangers that face them in today's society, and lets them know where the "landmines" are. To me, an MRA is someone who writes letters and sends E-mails in support of men's groups or of legislation that will reverse legislation that feminists have put in place that is inherently unfair. And on a personal note I, like you, have a lot of desire for traditional relationships. I also believe the "disposable relationship" of today (like the "baggage" article you wrote) has distorted what men and women think they are "supposed" to want. What ya think? Steven
Question for Amber: If we started an organization called the Independent Men's Forum, and had the same principles, would you call us evil MRA's?
For instance, I consider the IWF to be a part of the women's movement, albeit a much more venerable organization than what that phrase would normally conjure up.
Dear Pete,Thank you for this article. You are to be congratulated for telling it like it is for those who seem unwilling to believe it.I am a married woman with two children, and have stayed home since the arrival of our children to raise and teach them. Our marriage is a partnership based on trust and realistic expectations of working together for the good of the family. My ears are tired of "feminazi" edicts and rants that appear extremely selfish and that completely exclude the balance of life that is so crucial. (I read a book called "Get off Your Butts" that stated you can do anything you want, you just can't do EVERYTHING you want. One must prioritize.) For years women have been told not only can they do anything they want, they SHOULD do everything they want - regardless of the consequences of delaying marriage and family, the half-raising of children due to scheduling conflicts, and the sheer chaos of such selfishness. One need only look around to see the devastation caused by selfishness - from either gender - in the eyes of the children and the wronged partner. We have an awful lot of "walking wounded" from the war on marriage.Again, thank you for demonstrating that marriage, no matter what it is called or how it is brought about, is the best situation for children, men, women and society.C. Drew
Besides that: here is a tip. The only men the men's movement are gathering are victimized men.
Amber wrote:QuoteBesides that: here is a tip. The only men the men's movement are gathering are victimized men.This is bovine-dung. I have never been divorced, falsely accused, involved in DV etc etc and I am proud to be an active force in fighting for men's rights. There are numerous men who are with me in this fight and many of them have similar histories. This seems to me to be self-serving hyperbole. When I say fighting for men's rights I literally mean fighting for our system to do what it says it should do, that is, to provide liberty and justice for all. At this point the balance is clearly in favor of women and needs to be righted. To not be able to see that is a sign of ignorance and/or brainwashing.