Canadian government loses bid to ease gun laws

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Canadian government loses bid to ease gun laws
David Ljunggren   - 9 mins ago


OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada's minority Conservative government narrowly lost its bid on Wednesday to relax the country's gun-control laws, an issue that is likely to feature heavily in an election campaign expected within the next year.

The House of Commons voted 153-151 to retain a national registry of rifles and shotguns the government says is a waste of money and penalizes law-abiding hunters and farmers. The Conservatives enjoy significant support among rural voters.

"The people of the regions of this country are never going to accept being treated like criminals and we will continue our efforts until this registry is finally abolished," Prime Minister Stephen Harper told reporters after the vote.

Opposition Parliamentarians, most of whom backed the registry, say it helps curb crime. The program was set up in 1995 in the wake of a 1989 massacre in Montreal, when a gunman with a rifle murdered 14 women at a college.

The registry tightened gun control laws that were already tougher than those in the United States. Gun licenses are already mandatory for anyone wishing to use weapons, and registration of handguns has been long been required.

Defenders of the registry say it is one factor that helps explain why Canada's murder rate is just under 2.0 per 100,000 people compared with 6.0 per 100,000 in the United States.

The Conservatives hoped to pull out a victory in the House on Wednesday by targeting rural legislators from opposition parties, such as Liberal Anthony Rota, who initially said they would vote to kill the registry but then changed their minds.

Industry Minister Tony Clement, speaking in the House before the vote, accused Rota of flip-flopping on the issue and added: "Shame on him. He will answer to his constituents in due course."

The Conservatives -- who need to win an extra dozen seats to gain a majority in the House of Commons -- have made it clear the issue of the long-gun registry will feature in the next election campaign.

Polls show the Conservatives are only slightly ahead of the main opposition Liberal Party and would likely lose some seats if an election were held now.

Many political observers believe the most likely date for the next election is early next year, after the government unveils what it expected to be a tough budget.

The issue is not an automatic vote-winner for the Conservatives, who opposition parties portray as extremists with a hidden agenda. Earlier this year a Conservative legislator had to apologize for likening pro-registry police chiefs to a cult.

Some opposition legislators said they were willing to modify the registry but complained the government was unwilling to listen.

"They are not interested in bridging gaps, and so once again we see politics of division, but they don't have us on their side," said Charlie Angus of the New Democrats.

The Conservatives, arguing that criminals do not register their weapons, point to huge cost overruns when the program was put in place under a previous Liberal government.

Ottawa said the registry would largely fund itself but an official audit in 2000 found that gross mismanagement meant the costs had spiraled to almost C$1 billion ($970 million).

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Canada doesn't have anything like the Second Amendment; the point for me is in the last two sentences... gross mismanagement is right.
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outdoors

why hardly word about this hate movement against gun owner's and the connection to st.marc?

This registry could be called the lepine lives forever list.

if lepine is the model for every canadian man,not some man,EVERY man in Canada-then he deserves saint status.
and the feminist regime made him one-his name will live for-ever
This is feminist victory to the extreme.

let's wait and see what's next on the so called freedom list that will be stripped from our(men) grasp.

by the time this is done with-men will be tattooed at birth

Virtue

Don't give up.....don't quit........here for a long time down south here we thought we were done......Clinton had his gun ban in place.....things looked dark.


But were doing better now.
Imagine waking up tomorrow to find
that unbelievably rape is now legal.

You would be freaking out, telling everyone you ran into this is crazy- something needs to be done... now!!! And then every man you told this to just very smugly and condescendingly says...

"Hey... not all men are 'like that.'"

no2fembots


Don't give up.....don't quit........here for a long time down south here we thought we were done......Clinton had his gun ban in place.....things looked dark.

But were doing better now.


The American worst-case gun rights legal issues would truly be best-case for us Canadian "subjects".  Your freedoms are so far in advance of our that even when you lose rights you are far, far better off then us.

The western world is beginning a much needed shift to the right of centre, so perhaps you are right and guns rights will be not only preserved but enhanced for Canadians... conceal and carry would be nice!
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Cordell Walker



Don't give up.....don't quit........here for a long time down south here we thought we were done......Clinton had his gun ban in place.....things looked dark.

But were doing better now.


The American worst-case gun rights legal issues would truly be best-case for us Canadian "subjects".  Your freedoms are so far in advance of our that even when you lose rights you are far, far better off then us.

The western world is beginning a much needed shift to the right of centre, so perhaps you are right and guns rights will be not only preserved but enhanced for Canadians... conceal and carry would be nice!


well, yall canadians cant give up the fight
I mean, did george washington quit fighting when the Japanese had him surrounded at the alamo?
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BRIAN

^^^^ Bwaaahahahahaha! ^^^^
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neoteny

LOL indeed.
The spreading of information about the [quantum] system through the [classical] environment is ultimately responsible for the emergence of "objective reality." 

Wojciech Hubert Zurek: Decoherence, einselection, and the quantum origins of the classical

The Gonzman

Have another toke, Cordell.
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TheDude



well, yall canadians cant give up the fight
I mean, did george washington quit fighting when the Japanese had him surrounded at the alamo?


He fought on and eventually dropped an atom bomb on Germany.

outdoors




well, yall canadians cant give up the fight
I mean, did george washington quit fighting when the Japanese had him surrounded at the alamo?


He fought on and eventually dropped an atom bomb on Germany.


didn't he get killed in the end by the Bolsheviks?

neoteny





well, yall canadians cant give up the fight
I mean, did george washington quit fighting when the Japanese had him surrounded at the alamo?


He fought on and eventually dropped an atom bomb on Germany.


didn't he get killed in the end by the Bolsheviks?


Very likely, when he was technical adviser on a consultancy basis to the Hungarian revolutionary troops back in '56 in Budapest. There were unverified stories about him being taken from his command post by Red Army internal security troops and disappeared into the infamous Lyubyanka prison in Moscow. Unconfirmed sightings of him at various Gulag camps continued into the Eighties; the opening of some secret archives of the Soviet Union in the early Nineties cast no light on his fate.
The spreading of information about the [quantum] system through the [classical] environment is ultimately responsible for the emergence of "objective reality." 

Wojciech Hubert Zurek: Decoherence, einselection, and the quantum origins of the classical

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