"jealous" or "controlling" husbands can't rely on a defence of provocation.

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Nov 27, 2010, 12:17 AM Last Edit: Nov 27, 2010, 12:19 AM by John Dias

US Supreme Court decision in Heath v. Alabama:

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This decision is one of several that holds that the Fifth Amendment does not forbid the U.S. federal government and a state government, or the governments of more than one state, from prosecuting the same individual separately for the same illegal act.




After reading the above article, I understand the reasoning.  The defendant violated the laws of two states, kidnapping his victim on one and murdering her in the other.  I personally disagree with the court's decision, and believe that if you are tried for a crime, the outcome of the trial should be binding in all 50 states since they derive their authority to prosecute crimes from the constitution.  The constitution eclipses the laws previously in place when individual states were once sovereign countries.  However, Justice O'Connor (who wrote the majority opinion) said that the 10th amendment merely extended the sovereign authority that states previously had prior to their inclusion as U.S. states.  In my view, the constitution erased and supplanted the authority of each state once it entered the union as a state.

Nevertheless, it still makes me wonder...  Even if the reasoning behind the Heath vs. Alabama decision were to remain in place over the decades, what's to prevent one state from criminalizing alleged acts that occur entirely in another state (i.e. not involving the crossing of state lines)?  Can California make a law that says that anyone who enters its borders is subject to prosecution for any acts that occurred in, say, New York, prior to crossing into California?  If I rob a liquor store in New York, get tried/convicted/sentenced/incarcerated, then upon my release travel to California, could California get away with prosecuting and trying me all over again?  Does jurisdiction apply retroactively?  I hope this never happens.

wractor

Ironically, if this had been Texas, before 1973, he could've killed them and gotten away with it. There was apparently some loophole that legalized murder in the case of adultery/cuckolding. Interesting to note though, it was only for husbands, not wives.

Still, most straight-laced monogamous men would be inspired into rage by the thought or fact of being cuckolded.
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I am not talking now about the facts of this particular case. I am talking about the general principle of infidelity / provocation.

Men are lured into deep emotional / sexual / economic / familial inter-dependence on a wife. Society sends all kinds of messages that men should be deeply inter-dependent with their wives. Yes, when the wife breaches this relationship, she not only suffers no penalty but he is expected to "man up" and not react (plus support her for many years).

My situation was very bad.  Within days after I learned of my wife's "boyfriend" from my six year old daughter, her boyfriend was living in my house, driving the new car I had just bought for my wife, living with my children, etc.  He was a drug dealer. I was arrested because when I asked her if what my daughter said was true and she confirmed it, I pushed her out of the bed stating "get the hell out of my bed." I never thought about killing her but I can understand how that could happen.

Obviously, a man who kills under these circumstances is very different than a cold blooded killer for money, etc. Treating the two the same is a lie.

Quentin0352

Kind of like how my wife had numerous affairs and I knew about them with her ever BRAGGING about them since my disability effects my sexual life. That was not an issue per the judge but she claimed I had affairs when I obviously didn't with the medical issues and the judge reamed me for it in the court room.

She has an affair then it is his fault for not fulfilling her needs, he has an affair and he is scum to be punished.

outdoors

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She has an affair then it is his fault for not fulfilling her needs, he has an affair and he is scum to be punished.



typical with any subject when it comes to men vs women

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Kind of like how my wife had numerous affairs and I knew about them with her ever BRAGGING about them since my disability effects my sexual life. That was not an issue per the judge but she claimed I had affairs when I obviously didn't with the medical issues and the judge reamed me for it in the court room.



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