Australian MP mocks female treasury secretary with a hissing "meow"

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Article here.  What do you guys think?  Is she overreacting, or is this an example of genuine misogyny?

Penny Wong 'meowed' at by Liberal Senator David Bushby in an estimates hearing

neoteny

He was an equal opportunity jerk and she pulled the gender card.
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Wojciech Hubert Zurek: Decoherence, einselection, and the quantum origins of the classical

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Jun 01, 2011, 02:47 PM Last Edit: Jun 01, 2011, 03:25 PM by John Dias

He was an equal opportunity jerk and she pulled the gender card.


If I were the guy who upset her, I probably would have instead said something else, like, "Touchy, touchy!"  That would have been a gender-neutral comment.  The "meow hiss" thing seems to me like a gendered insult, hence I believe that it was a tad misogynistic.  Furthermore, for a man to use a "meow hiss" on another man, not only does that just seem unlikely but also if it actually did happen, it would probably be perceived as some sort of failed attempt at homosexual flirting.  So I find it implausible that a man would meow-hiss at another man that way; it would likely ever only happen from male-to-female.  

Even so, I do think that she was awfully touchy, especially for a cabinet secretary.  If you want to command respect and exude authority, then you really should pick your battles rather than sniping at people like she did.  She lost face with her touchiness, and then projected her loss of face on the man who mocked her for it.  Since he is a senator and this is a hearing, it stands to reason that both he and she owed it to their constituents to display a little more decorum than they both did.  But I am certain that she will universally be portrayed as the innocent victim despite her testiness while he'll be portrayed as a patronizing, misogynist pig.  She too deserves some criticism in this, having sniped at him, but being a women she'll inevitably be given a total pass on her behavior.

neoteny


The "meow hiss" thing seems to me like a gendered insult, hence I believe that it was a tad misogynistic.


So what? He interrupted her, she took exception at the interruption and he mocked her in a "gendered way" for it. The rules of the Australian Senate either allow a committee member to interrupt someone giving testimony before the committee or they don't. If the former, he was within his rights and she shouldn't have complained ("let me finish"); if the latter then he was out of line the instant he interrupted and she should have raised the point with the chair or speaker or whoever else of authority present.
The spreading of information about the [quantum] system through the [classical] environment is ultimately responsible for the emergence of "objective reality." 

Wojciech Hubert Zurek: Decoherence, einselection, and the quantum origins of the classical

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Jun 01, 2011, 04:37 PM Last Edit: Jun 01, 2011, 04:47 PM by John Dias
What makes this relevant to discuss on SYG is whether we would have cause to defend a male treasury secretary if the situation were reversed.  For example, what if a male treasury secretary was interrupted by a female MP who then used a gendered insult against him?  Imagine a female senator imitating the call of Tarzan after a male cabinet secretary icily demanded not to be interrupted.  Would we as men's advocates have just cause to criticize the female MP (and not just for violating the rules of order in the committee hearing)?

What also makes this relevant for men's advocates to discuss, as I mentioned earlier, is that while both parties seem to have violated decorum (and possibly the committee's rules of order), it's probable and typical that under the current misandric paradigm, the man will be roasted for his remark whereas the woman's testiness will be defended and justified.

neoteny


while both parties seem to have violated decorum (and possibly the committee's rules of order), it's probable and typical that under the current misandric paradigm, the man will be roasted for his remark whereas the woman's testiness will be defended and justified.


Yes, and that's why I think it is counterproductive to enter an argument about who was in the wrong: after her "let me finish" jab & his meow-hissing, both were and the question of who was more in the wrong becomes a political debate where there are no rules, only preferences to base a judgement on.
The spreading of information about the [quantum] system through the [classical] environment is ultimately responsible for the emergence of "objective reality." 

Wojciech Hubert Zurek: Decoherence, einselection, and the quantum origins of the classical

TheManOnTheStreet

I see JDs point.  He was a serious cad.  BUT!  Her rather large 'I am a woman dressed like a man' chip on her shoulder tends to make me think that no matter what he said or did, she was going to pull the widdow wiminz card...

She was seriously rude yet his rude remark requires her idealogical catawailing...

whoops!

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no2fembots

Are we absolutely sure, beyond a shadow of a doubt that 'she' is a woman?

Just wondering...
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Are we absolutely sure, beyond a shadow of a doubt that 'she' is a woman?

Just wondering...



funny-i was thinkin' along the same line

Quentin0352

OUCH! I had to look a bit closer to tell at first too. Yeah, the guy was an idiot and jerk for that type of an insult. No different though than the daily insults we see of women talking about men having a small penis or etc if they do/do not stand up against a woman depending on which she wants or etc. I think the big difference is here we see at least a good number condemn it as the stupid comment it was but if the genders were reversed, it would never make any feminist boards and the closest to condemning it would have been a "You go girl!" from them about it.

TheManOnTheStreet


Are we absolutely sure, beyond a shadow of a doubt that 'she' is a woman?

Just wondering...


Either that or he has something missing which explains his high-pitched voice!

Also, I have seen videos of women doing the exact same sort of shit to men and nare a peep from the lame stream media - let alone the femikooks...

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Professionalism is important.  The meow-hiss was more than simply the pinnacle of immaturity; it adds credence to every cry and whim of the feminist.  It was shameful from a professional level, and was the archetypal nidus upon which women and feminists propagate their agenda.  It sets the MRA agenda back at every stage.  This fool deserves the derision of MRAs more than feminists, as he strengthens their cause and weakens ours. 

Bastard.
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