The Trouble with Rape Prosecutions - Dershowitz

[dr e]

Interesting article by a Harvard law prof who is questioning the system.  Check out this quote:

But prosecutors of sex cases need to do some major housecleaning--not only in District Attorney Cyrus Vance's office in Manhattan but also in prosecutors' offices all across the country. Special sex prosecutors and special rape prosecutors are often agenda driven. Too often they believe they're on a mission and treat the alleged victim in a way that's different from how they handle any other crime. They're zealots; I call them Nancy Grace prosecutors. She behaves on her TV talk show as if there's no such thing as innocence; everybody arrested is guilty. I believe there's been a Nancy Grace aspect to this case. The prosecution presented its case in public as if there were no doubt about the alleged victim's credibility or the complete guilt of the alleged offender.

Now that is a helluva summary of what we are facing.  Great to see that some mainstream legal types are starting to speak out about the cronyism and ideological fascism that we face in the courts.

Full article here:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/07/01/alan-dershowitz-on-the-dominique-strauss-khan-case.html?om_rid=NsgRzO&om_mid=_BOEcHCB8cMRL5D

[LSBeene]

Dr. E,

I wanted to add, something someone as learned as you probably already know, but others may not:

One of the reasons Prof. Dershowitz is so fair and has open eyes is because he's faced off with campus feminists already in a landmark Sexual Harassment case.

Not sure of the year, but probably a decade or so ago, Prof. Dershowitz was giving a law class.  The topic of sexual harassment came up - and he wanted to present the law, bring up how sexual harassment happened, but also talk about false accusations of it.  He was then CHARGED with sexual harassment by student feminists in his class for even TALKING about false claims.

The class and campus feminists wanted to shut down realistic discussion and even MENTION of false claims and make discussion of such claims sexual harasment itself.

The suit failed, and is, in itself, a landmark case.

Just thought this might add to "the why" of Prof. Dershowitz mindset.

Steven

[BRIAN]

He isn't lying about it. His assessment is correct and the reason why is that no prosecutor/states attorney wants to have the lable of being anti woman and soft on rapists come election time. The RadFems shrill shouts stifle rational debate and prevent honest looks at facts. Like John Adams said stubborn damn things facts.

[dr e]

Wow Steven!  What a story.  I'd love to find some links to that.  Sounds like we have a real ally.  Excellent.  Thanks for bringing this up.  E

Dr. E,

I wanted to add, something someone as learned as you probably already know, but others may not:

One of the reasons Prof. Dershowitz is so fair and has open eyes is because he's faced off with campus feminists already in a landmark Sexual Harassment case.

Not sure of the year, but probably a decade or so ago, Prof. Dershowitz was giving a law class.  The topic of sexual harassment came up - and he wanted to present the law, bring up how sexual harassment happened, but also talk about false accusations of it.  He was then CHARGED with sexual harassment by student feminists in his class for even TALKING about false claims.

The class and campus feminists wanted to shut down realistic discussion and even MENTION of false claims and make discussion of such claims sexual harasment itself.

The suit failed, and is, in itself, a landmark case.

Just thought this might add to "the why" of Prof. Dershowitz mindset.

Steven

[LSBeene]

Dr E,

I read about it in (this is from memory from my first deployment, so, 2005-2006) Who Stole Feminism by Christina Hoff Summers.  In it she told this story, and one about another professor who had a discussion about rape and false accusations. 

The professor who had a discussion about rape and false accusations in his classroom had it partially hijacked by 2 classroom student feminists who tried desperately to shut down ANY mention of or dissussion about false accusations.  They insisted, argued, and put down as holy writ that false accusations were so rare, and such a non-issue, that even discussing them should be off the table so as not to legitimize any thought of their prevalence.  When that was not accomplished, he was, (drum roll please) falsely accused by one of those same feminist students of multiple counts of rape.

Yep - the very women who had swallowed feminist ideology and espoused it, and denied denied denied that false accusations of rape happen, or that such a subject was even worthy of being brought up, brought a false accusation of rape against this professor just for having the temerity of not toeing the line to their ideology.

The upshot was that while her case (it was a long story in the book, and chilling in how it step-by-step back-door, violence-by-proxy, destroyed his career (to a point) )  finally fell apart as her lies were so obviously concocted, but the woman was eventually paid a six figure pay out by the university for her "pain and suffering", even though he was cleared.

The professor was, from then on, so terrified of female students that he would no longer meet with them behind closed doors without a witness, and lives in fear of the PC police on his campus.

Hope that helps.

Steven

[LSBeene]

Just an update on this - I referred to this case for Alan Dershowitz:

http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume6/j6_2_4.htm

Also I again refer to "Who Stole Feminism" (that part is from memory)

Steven

[CaptDMO]

SEE: Oleanna-David Mamet.

[Cordell Walker]

Dr. E,

I wanted to add, something someone as learned as you probably already know, but others may not:

One of the reasons Prof. Dershowitz is so fair and has open eyes is because he's faced off with campus feminists already in a landmark Sexual Harassment case.

Not sure of the year, but probably a decade or so ago, Prof. Dershowitz was giving a law class.  The topic of sexual harassment came up - and he wanted to present the law, bring up how sexual harassment happened, but also talk about false accusations of it.  He was then CHARGED with sexual harassment by student feminists in his class for even TALKING about false claims.

The class and campus feminists wanted to shut down realistic discussion and even MENTION of false claims and make discussion of such claims sexual harasment itself.

The suit failed, and is, in itself, a landmark case.

Just thought this might add to "the why" of Prof. Dershowitz mindset.

Steven

LOL, that proves that most feminists are none too bright. going against dershowitz on matters of law is like trying to win a one on one b-ball game with a prime Michael Jordan or a shooting competition with vasily zaitsev, just not happenin

[CaptDMO]

Then there's THIS
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/26/michael-le-vell-acquittal-rape-defendants#start-of-comments
BAM: Cut to  academic "victim" research.

Brilliant "reporting" (sarc)
Comments reflect the public attitude (with corrections) concerning Feminist Academia and "data" reported by gub'mint officials.

Apparently, 
Lisa Longstaff and Lisa Avalos (as well as "the editors")of The Guardian need a list of Women accused, found guilty, prosecuted by a jury of their peers, and sentenced,
for False Accusations of rape-"date" rape-sexual assault-"domestic"(fill in the blank)-hostile workplace-public urination,  simply for vindictiveness, extortion, revenge, alibi.

Oh, wait. The "published numbers" on actual gub'mint convictions/restitution concerning women aren't that impressive.
Disparate Impact?