Women's souffrage - Derbyshire explains

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Galt

There is an opportunity today that is relatively new: The ease of "voting with your feet".

SIAM, I think you are also an ex-pat (as am I).

What's going to happen with greater mobility in the world is that the socialist countries are going to retain the leeches and the countries with lower taxes and restrictions are going to attract the producers.

If the United States heads more towards socialism (I'm not sure that's going to happen in the final analysis), there is going to be a major tipping point because a lot of the scientists and shakers and movers in the world COME TO the United States. If they start to leave, the United States would drop fast in terms of innovation, research etc.

BRIAN


What makes voting a CURRENT joke are the lack of referendums and the frequency of voting opportunities.  We should have the opportunity to vote on MANY more things. 


Dear God no.

What you describe is a recipe for anarachy and grand larceny on a societal scale.
You may sleep soundly at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence upon those who seek to harm you.

Pat Kibbon

Equality is not the measure of all things.  If you think it is, then take notice that we are all equal when we are dead.
"We can lick gravity, but sometimes the paper work is overwhelming."

Mr. X


There is an opportunity today that is relatively new: The ease of "voting with your feet".

SIAM, I think you are also an ex-pat (as am I).

What's going to happen with greater mobility in the world is that the socialist countries are going to retain the leeches and the countries with lower taxes and restrictions are going to attract the producers.

If the United States heads more towards socialism (I'm not sure that's going to happen in the final analysis), there is going to be a major tipping point because a lot of the scientists and shakers and movers in the world COME TO the United States. If they start to leave, the United States would drop fast in terms of innovation, research etc.


Sweden went through a series of reforms in the 1990s that averted its total bankruptcy. The US is quickly becoming what Sweden was in the 90s. Massive taxes (65% for civilians and like 95% for companies) huge regulations, massive gov control.

http://www.mckinsey.com/mgi/mginews/businessweek/swedenbalance.asp

They got out of their mess by deregulating, allowing entry into the markets, lowering of taxes... essentially they got out of the way of the market place and let free market create wealth. They are now MORE economically free and entrepreneurial than the US.

This is why I laugh when I hear people in the US say stuff like "we should be like Sweden". Yes we should... but we are going the opposite direction.
Feminists - "Verbally beating men like dumb animals or ignoring them is all we know and its not working."

SIAM

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Oct 29, 2009, 03:58 AM Last Edit: Oct 29, 2009, 05:04 AM by SIAM
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What makes voting a CURRENT joke are the lack of referendums and the frequency of voting opportunities.  We should have the opportunity to vote on MANY more things.


Dear God no.

What you describe is a recipe for anarachy and grand larceny on a societal scale.


Brian, perhaps you can explain why this would be the case?

In a way, the right to vote has become meaningless anyway as we have no say for 5 years, then have a single vote to elect one of two parties that are near identical.  What happens is members of parliament/congress vote on particular issues with their own self-interest in mind (this much is obvious), so they're not representing the public.  

If you look at Australia, the government there are repealing shared custody laws (or looking to do this).  Meanwhile the public have no say on this.  The UK are bringing in crazier and crazier laws all the time, with the public powerless to stop such laws.  We vote in the Tories instead of Labour - nothing changes.  So voting for parties I think is next to meaningless if we can't vote on particular issues too.

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Equality is not the measure of all things.  If you think it is, then take notice that we are all equal when we are dead.


Pat, well it's not so black and white like that.  I don't want equality in every aspect of daily life - like businesses getting equal share of customers or whatever - that would be ridiculous.  But there are fundamental rights that both men and women are entitled to, and it shouldn't be the case that some of these are denied because of what sex you are.

Galt, yes I am an ex-pat.  I voted with my feet, and many others are doing so from the UK.

Peter

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Explaining misandry to a feminist is like explaining "wet" to a fish.

Fe-Fi-Fo-Fum

It seems that a lot of the women had no idea that the Titanic was real....they thought it was only a movie.  So they somehow managed to stay uninformed even with the intense coverage of anything that has to do with the Titanic.

~Fe-Fi-Fo-Fum

CaptDMO

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So voting in theory is a fundamental human right and it should be the right of everyone by default.
Unless, of course, one has been found guilty of offenses
increasingly deemed felonious of course, even after ones debt to society has been met. 

I wonder if there's any disparate impact in such a policy?

So, how is it that when a majority votes, the minority can be entitled a mullugan, and the democratically passed "rule" can be not only nullified, but found in favor for the minority by interpretation of judges?

That applies to both conservatives and liberals, whether they threaten to riot in the streets or not, right?

Take the "equality" of Title IX for example...
Take the "equality" in claims of "domestic" violence...
Take the "equality' of "free" medical considerations...
Yet, to SOME, apparently, other-than-Democrat/liberal/"educated" stay-at-home moms (we used to call them housewives and/or home makers) aren't worthy of an opinion, because THEY "Haven't worked a day in their lives...".

I Guess, to SOME, THEY haven't EARNED the right to "vote".
Yet a single, women's studies graduate "community activist", loaded in (questionable) academic/credit card debt, has?

Make no mistake. to SOME, the same thinking applies to (ie.)the homeless vs. "lettered" males.     
   


BRIAN


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What makes voting a CURRENT joke are the lack of referendums and the frequency of voting opportunities.  We should have the opportunity to vote on MANY more things.


Dear God no.

What you describe is a recipe for anarachy and grand larceny on a societal scale.


Brian, perhaps you can explain why this would be the case?

In a way, the right to vote has become meaningless anyway as we have no say for 5 years, then have a single vote to elect one of two parties that are near identical.  What happens is members of parliament/congress vote on particular issues with their own self-interest in mind (this much is obvious), so they're not representing the public.  


I just saw this in this old thread and I will respond even though Siam hasnt been active in forever. The reason why referendums by popular vote would be a bad idea is the simple fact of human greed. What you are preposing is mob rule, the two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner that Benjamin Franklin warned us about. The republican form of government we have now protects the rights of the minority but it also protects the minority and the individual against the tyrany of the majority.
You may sleep soundly at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence upon those who seek to harm you.

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