Pacman7331,
I see lots of men complaining about women refusing to take responsibility ... for anything.
They get that way for a reason. They may have a chivalrous dad who gives Little Princess everything she wants, and then they move on to the chivalrous husband who shields Little Princess from everything in life (i.e. putting her not only in the housewife role, but in a childlike role).
In fact, that's one of the major MRA themes - that women won't take responsibility. Chivalrous men only complain about it after they personally get bitten in the butt in family court. But the monsters that they create damage OTHER PEOPLE because of their refusal to take responsibility and society's shielding of them.
Back when work almost invariably involved back-breaking work on a farm or in a factory, I agree that women's natural role was probably housewife. They also had a lot of work to do in the home without modern conveniences.
Society has changed. There have been technological advancements. It's not the same situation.
Totally agree, Women refuse to take responsibility, because they can.
Women naturally drive towards weakness.
Men unfortunatly haven't learned their own strength. MGTOW, is the dawning of men's strength (so to speak), that is women have no choice but to face up to their own stinking shit, becuase the man's entire life philosophy is it to never get caught depending on women or society (unless to assist fellow MRAs / MGTOWs).
Once women smell their own shit, they are altered by it's smell, they will never go back to being the same. It's like training a dog, until the dog smells the shit, and associates that with bad, the dog doesn't know it's bad. How could it know? it's never smelt it before! It's IMHO litterally that dumb. But men don't know how to train women, instead they are getting their head stuck in their own shit over and over that is: "your a pussy becuase your a pussy begger, and you don't reserve respect" women stick our noses in this over and over again (but of course they have no idea that they do this) which is IMHO actually causing this whole incredibly slow shift in consciousness to take place. Feminism is this in all real measures, women sticking our noses in our own stupidity, but it's not the stupidity they think it is, not that we've abused women for ages, it's that we've been stupid enough to think we could alter or protect their fallible nature.
I have the theory that men had at the outset long ago in the past given women super high prilveldge in order to protect them from being corrupted. In older times it was wide spread common knowledge that women are very easily corrupted (take on bad personality traits or habits) and once done are turned into ravaging whore bags that never return from hell (which thereby caused instability in society). Unfortunatly with time that precaution has backfired, and they all became whores nonetheless, which is what we have today.
Our strive for protection of them from their lower nature (for both theirs and our sakes) has actually become the river of decadance that is now fully unleashed on today's humanity.
What men have to do is find a way of letting women out of the protective shield of men, and as soon as that happens the ladies will be much more amiable. Men have got to learn how to live fulfilling ecstatic lives without female proximity. And I think we are...s l o w l y.
So yea it's a false dichotomy.
Galt,
I'm not saying I disagree with your inital post, just that the two camps though seemingly opposed do ultimatly have totally compatible visions, and in fact need each other. IMHO.