Renegade looks at Video Games – Skyrim

Started by Renegade, Feb 05, 2012, 02:34 PM

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Renegade

One of the issues that I have with modern popular culture is the lack of representation of females on the 'bad' or villainous side. Our society balks at the lack of women in action movies and video games and many a time I hear/read a video game reviewer make this comment, "Finally! A strong female character in a video game."

As usual, the complaints only occur with regards to positive representation; the heroine, the kick-ass fighter, more female main characters. No one complains about the lack of women as cannon fodder, the lack of female body count in games or movies in which enemies are mowed down like wheat or the lack of female characters that are underhanded, sneaky, conniving and traitorous. In a game like Borderlands, for example, 100% of the human enemies are males; no complaints about gender equality there.

However, the times they are a-changing. Take a fairly recent game like Skyrim, a sword and sorcery, magic and dragons type of game that has a huge game world to explore. When making a character to play, there is no difference between the genders other than looks; males are not any more strong or enduring than females are. You will find gender equality here in the respect that even women are guards, blacksmiths, soldiers, bodyguards, merchants, innkeepers, magic users, bards and rulers.

However, you will also find women that are bandits, bandit leaders, evil necromancers and witches, enemy soldiers, vampires and assassins. Women are portrayed as being strong and capable enough to be side by side with men, both in the heroic and the despicable aspects of society. It frequently annoyed me in popular culture to see the 'good' side represented by both men and women, while only men (or the vast majority) represented the 'bad' side.

To this extent I found the following evolution of commentary to be quite telling. I was watching a series of Youtube videos in which the player recorded the in-game footage of himself playing Skyrim and did a commentary as he went along. Early in the video series when his character killed a female bandit, he made the white knight comment, "Oh, no! Why did it have to be a woman?!"

Later, when a female game character challenged him to a brawl, his commented, "Normally I wouldn't hit a woman....." As he progressed through the game, he encountered more female enemies that he needed to dispatch, because they had no complaints with attacking his character. A few videos later and he was killing and looting bandits, regardless of gender with no commentary. Still, several videos later, during the midst of a combat with several enemies, he said, "This one's a girl! Take out the legs and crunch the skull!"

I just found it rather amusing to see a player begin with the white knight attitude of not hitting a woman, changing to the point where gender did not matter when it came to survival.

Even in the midst of equal gender representation, there is still a female character in one of he main cities that makes the comment to the player's character, "Can't stand the sight of a strong woman?" Well, obviously not, because we are surrounded by "strong women"!  :rolle:
"A man chooses. A slave obeys." What if a man 'chooses' to obey, because he is met with scorn, shame and ridicule and rendered a social outcasts if he does not?

neoteny

I used to be a strong female character... then I took an arrow to the knee.

Now I'm suing the king, the seneschal and the captain of the guards for denying me a safe work environment & exposing me to hostility from my co-characters. It is true that they warned me about the necessity of knee-pads but I perceived that as a sexist allusion -- understandable in the male-dominated environment of the guardroom of the keep. Lady Gloria of Allred will champion my case and I shall have my gold -- and no digging, either; that hurt knee of mine wouldn't allow it.
The spreading of information about the [quantum] system through the [classical] environment is ultimately responsible for the emergence of "objective reality." 

Wojciech Hubert Zurek: Decoherence, einselection, and the quantum origins of the classical

TripeSupper

I like to play Battlefield 3, but I have only ever found myself shooting at male soldiers, along side other male soldiers in my team. This is not what I expected as the TV adverts for the British Army have led me to believe that approximately half the soldiers in the army are actually female...   :rolle:

Renegade

Unfortunately the "equality" in this game is merely a blanket to cover it's blatant misandry. The game is littered with generic, stereotypical, anti-male, male-bashing bullcrap. Frequently you will encounter a woman that complains about her brother or father or husband who is A) A drunkard B) a lazy good for nothing or C) an idiot. These are just jabs at men thrown into the game because, hey, it has become "normal" for men to be classified and portrayed in these ways.

There is a single mother in the market who complains that all she wants to do is earn a living and raise her daughter and *gasp* she keeps having these men that want her attention and court her! Horrible! I encountered another woman character who's problem is that her husband has gone missing. The last she saw of him he was taking supplies to a different part of the land to try and sell and make some money. When he has not returned for a long time (the land is unbelievably hostile  :tongue2:) she speculates that he has probably shacked up with some whore. After agreeing to look for her husband she continues to bad mouth him and then says, "Because all men are just interested in one thing." That age old misandric comment that just brings my piss to a boil!  :angryfire:

But this is common in popular culture; whether it is a video game, television show, comic book or whatever, characters keep taking jabs at men, belittling men and overall complaining and degrading them. It's just a little here and there, but it adds up. Men are conditioning to 'take it like a man', but if similar comments are made about women . . . Misogyny!!!
"A man chooses. A slave obeys." What if a man 'chooses' to obey, because he is met with scorn, shame and ridicule and rendered a social outcasts if he does not?

Cysterhood

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Feb 23, 2012, 05:13 AM Last Edit: Feb 23, 2012, 05:17 AM by Cysterhood
This game http://www.abc.net.au/tv/goodgame/stories/s3435825.htmI don't know anything about other than what I learned in watching the review on TV. It may be interesting for you to look at.
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Catherine is a bizarre puzzle platformer that follows the story of Vincent Brooks, a young guy in a long-term relationship who starts to fear the commitment and responsibility that his long-time girlfriend, Katherine is heavily placing on him.

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But when Vincent heads to bed that evening, he is thrown into a bizarre nightmare in which men everywhere have been turned into sheep, and forced to climb a seemingly endless block tower to avoid falling to their doom.
At the bottom their doom is a bride wearing a wedding dress weilding a knife.
I guess the video link the at bottom may make it clearer than the transcript.
I'm mad.
I'm furious.
I've enough rage to fuel a thousand suns.

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I used to be a strong female character... then I took an arrow to the knee.

Now I'm suing the king, the seneschal and the captain of the guards for denying me a safe work environment & exposing me to hostility from my co-characters. It is true that they warned me about the necessity of knee-pads but I perceived that as a sexist allusion -- understandable in the male-dominated environment of the guardroom of the keep. Lady Gloria of Allred will champion my case and I shall have my gold -- and no digging, either; that hurt knee of mine wouldn't allow it.



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You had to go there... well done though. I swear, that knee joke is the fastest I've seen a game/net meme spread in a long time.

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