Lesbianization of Women through Marketing?

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Pacman7331

May 17, 2013, 11:39 AM Last Edit: May 17, 2013, 11:43 AM by Pacman7331
Is it just me or is it common to in marketing images:

1) Women climbing over one another touching and hugging in a subtle sexual innuendo.
2) Suggestive social postures that imply sexuality between women.
3) Groups of girls softly colliding with each other implying very close intimacy.
4) The soft to full-pornographic images of women in women's magazines, which women exclusively read.

I'm not entirely sure, it appears to me this sort of imagery has become more prominent in recent times (last 10-15 years or so)
Anyone know marketers, or photographers? I'm wondering who is behind all this. I have a hard time believing this is the natural expression of femininity in all times and places. Or maybe it is, a latent expression of women in decadent societies?

It's just hard for me not to notice that but I never hear anyone discuss the matter.

Cordell Walker

I think it is just  that women are by nature bisexual
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I think it is just  that women are by nature bisexual


Except hardcore lesbians.
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Pacman7331

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May 17, 2013, 03:50 PM Last Edit: May 17, 2013, 04:26 PM by Pacman7331

I think it is just  that women are by nature bisexual


Really? Thats not a jaded attitude? This is big news. Strange it's been so hush hush up untill the 21 century...
Call me overly romantic,  but I wonder if not something else is going on...

So you think they are just now coming out of the closet, because of... I suppose the gay liberation movement? NOW they're ready and fearless...  :laughing6:

Perhaps they are putting on a show as an attack on men the same way misandry is so popular? Or is simply a coincidence that misandry and lesbianism are peaking in popularity at the same time?  :dontknow:

I think it's another form of female rebellion, promoted by the same people who promote feminism, racism, terrorism, collectivism, fascism, and satanism. Yep, I see big conspiracies behind it, the same people who promote GMO foods, fluoridated water, chemtrails, abortion, population reduction, global government, and have stolen everything on earth.


I think it is just  that women are by nature bisexual


I think they REALLY want you to believe that.

BRIAN



I think it is just  that women are by nature bisexual


Except hardcore lesbians.



Depends on the type of lesbian. Lesbians that are with other women because they legitimately prefer other women sexually or women that are lesbian because they hate men.
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May 18, 2013, 06:15 AM Last Edit: May 18, 2013, 06:17 AM by Cysterhood



I think it is just  that women are by nature bisexual


I think they REALLY want you to believe that.

I caught the end of a documentary not that long ago, which pointed out that women get sexually aroused when looking at pictures of other naked women - whereas men don't with photos of men, unless their gay. This was proven with measuring instruments placed in/on the genitals. The kicker was - of course - that women lied about being aroused. The scientific evidence contradicted their claims conclusively.

This sort of evidence reinforces the belief I've come to on women - they are fundamentally users.
They use you to get favours.  They use you to get privelages. They use you to get posessions. They use you to get status. They use you to get money. They use you to get children. Then they'll use the system that is society that gets them all these things to dispose of you, after they've decided they still haven't got enought things yet. Their innate bisexuality provedes impetus for this behaviour since they have such a close bond with other women.

Remind you of anything you've seen recently?

The above scientific evidence does make me wonder that if women where free from being criticised and the accountabilty that they can get in society, that they might just dispose of men far more freely than they can with the powers they already have in modern times.

So women aren't really being lesbianised by marketing. Its just a representation of the truth about women.
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I caught the end of a documentary not that long ago, which pointed out that women get sexually aroused when looking at pictures of other naked women - whereas men don't with photos of men, unless their gay. This was proven with measuring instruments placed in/on the genitals. The kicker was - of course - that women lied about being aroused. The scientific evidence contradicted their claims conclusively.


Could you provide a link to that documentary?
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This sort of evidence reinforces the belief I've come to on women - they are fundamentally users.
They use you to get favours.  They use you to get privelages. They use you to get posessions. They use you to get status. They use you to get money. They use you to get children.


The feminine is the receptive, so that seems to go well with your belief...

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Then they'll use the system that is society that gets them all these things to dispose of you, after they've decided they still haven't got enought things yet.


That isn't logical, why would someone dispose of something when that thing doesn't provide them with enough? My computer sometimes crashes, but If I smashed it for that reason I would be even less endowed.

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Their innate bisexuality provedes impetus for this behaviour since they have such a close bond with other women.


What is this close bond women have with other women? Do women have a close bond with other women that makes them bisexual? Or are you simply saying the close bond of women between themselves is the bisexuality of women?

Nonetheless I suppose it is logical to replace one thing with another if the two things are similar enough to serve the same purpose.

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Remind you of anything you've seen recently?


Yes and that is the question... Why now? What about the present moment makes it opportunity to be bisexual? Simply the gay liberation movement? 
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The above scientific evidence does make me wonder that if women where free from being criticised and the accountabilty that they can get in society, that they might just dispose of men far more freely than they can with the powers they already have in modern times.


You haven't shown any scientific evidence.

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So women aren't really being lesbianised by marketing. Its just a representation of the truth about women.


OK so nonetheless why is the innate truth only so recent to the forefront?

Pacman7331

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Depends on the type of lesbian. Lesbians that are with other women because they legitimately prefer other women sexually or women that are lesbian because they hate men.


Is that not the same thing? One dislikes one and likes the other?

Pacman7331

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May 18, 2013, 09:20 AM Last Edit: May 19, 2013, 10:47 AM by Pacman7331
I would really doubt the veracity of any "documentary" that proves women are bisexual from a culture who wishes to promote that meme, call me stubborn.

Also, why would women deny that they are lesbian in the face of scientific evidence to suggest otherwise, if they are really lesbian anyway, and it's cool to be lesbian and it's popular?

The mystery is that IF women are innately bisexual in all times and places, why is it so particularly exposed now, with almost no record of it before in traditions or culture going back for thousands of years? Sure you may find examples here and there, but nothing making men like you all believe that ALL women are bisexual.

Isn't it interesting that at the moment when misandry is so ferociously popular, that lesbianism is also simultaneously climaxing? Does not one shed light on the other? Is not lesbianism an expression of rejection of the male, just as misandry is?

Am I the only one who is suspicious here? If so why?

I realize allot of guys play the devil's advocate in this mystery in order to shrug off any serious discussion or reaction to this outrageous behavior, which IMHO is done purposefully to make males invest more attention on women... by most guy's reactions it is subconsciously understood as a brazen challenge to the male gender, just like any other, therefore they evade the issue given the fact there is not really anything they can actually do to intervene.

Some lipstick lesbian women however I think expect men to attempt to dominate or become dominant and charge to into the fray to rescue and demand the lesbianized vagina back. Lol... I think that is what women expect men to do in this situation... I think it's something they do when they get restless and impatient. That is the way I take it. True lesbian women, I see as no different from pedophiles, murderers, sadists, etc. these people are simply perverted, and without the ferocious intimidation tactics used by the gay agenda vigilantes, the American Psychological Association would still regard it as a mental disorder. So I cannot esteem to believe it's normal and healthy.

Marketing just plays along with the crowd, true, but it also inserts propaganda, social engineering is not a myth.

Cysterhood

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Aug 11, 2013, 12:42 AM Last Edit: Aug 11, 2013, 12:47 AM by Cysterhood

I caught the end of a documentary not that long ago, which pointed out that women get sexually aroused when looking at pictures of other naked women - whereas men don't with photos of men, unless their gay. This was proven with measuring instruments placed in/on the genitals. The kicker was - of course - that women lied about being aroused. The scientific evidence contradicted their claims conclusively.

Could you provide a link to that documentary?


Sorry for the delay. There was no way to find the programme mentioned due to me not making notes at the time, but I did come across the study today.
I had to smile, when reading at the end, their theory on the female orgasm which concurs with mine of a long time ago. I refer to the clitoris as the 'infidelity button', because its clear to me that it is designed to make women cheat (have sex with multiple partners) in evolutionary terms. From a practical functional perspective it can have no other perpos.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/jul/05/what-do-women-want-extract
Men are animals. On matters of eros, we accept this as a kind of psychological axiom. Men are tamed by society, yet the subduing isn't so complete as to hide their natural state, which announces itself in endless ways - through pornography, through promiscuity. Men are programmed by evolutionary forces to increase the odds that their genes will survive in perpetuity and hence they are compelled to spread their seed.

   What Do Women Want?: Adventures in the Science of Female Desire
   by Daniel Bergner

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But why don't we say that women, too, are animals? Meredith Chivers, a psychologist trying to discover this, carried out research using a plethysmograph: a miniature bulb and light sensor placed inside the vagina. Semi-reclining, each of her female subjects watched an array of porn on an old, bulky computer monitor. The 2in-long tube of the plethysmograph beams light against the vaginal walls and reads the illumination that bounces back. In this way, it measures the blood flow to the vagina and finds out, at a primitive level, what turns women on.

As they enrolled in the study, Chivers' subjects identified themselves as straight or lesbian. They were shown images of sex between men and women, women and women, men and men, and a pair of bonobos (a species of ape). The subjects, straight and lesbian, were turned on right away by all of it, including the copulating apes. While they watched, they also held a keypad on which they rated their own feelings of arousal. So Chivers had physiological and self-reported scores. They hardly matched at all. Chivers' objective numbers, tracking what's technically called vaginal pulse amplitude, soared no matter who was on screen and regardless of what they were doing, to each other, to themselves. The keypad contradicted the plethysmograph entirely. The self-reports announced indifference to the bonobos. But that was only for starters. When the films were of women touching themselves or enmeshed with each other, the straight subjects said they were a lot less excited than their genitals declared. During the segments of gay male sex, the ratings of heterosexual women were even more muted.

Chivers put heterosexual and homosexual males through the same procedure. Strapped to their type of plethysmograph, they responded in predictable patterns she labelled "category specific". The straight men did swell slightly as they watched men masturbating and slightly more as they stared at men together, but this was dwarfed by their physiological arousal when the films featured women alone, women with men and, above all, women with women. Category specific applied still more to the gay males. Their readings jumped when men masturbated, rocketed when men had sex with men, and climbed, though less steeply, when the clips showed men with women; the plethysmograph rested close to dead when women owned the screen.

As for the bonobos, the genitals of both gay and straight men reacted to them the same way they did to the landscapes, to the pannings of mountains and plateaus. And with the men, the objective and subjective were in sync. Bodies and minds told the same story.

How to explain the conflict between what the women claimed and what their genitals said? Were the women either consciously diminishing or unconsciously blocking out the fact that a vast scope of things stoked them instantly toward lust?

The discord within Chivers' readings converged with the results of a study by Terri Fisher, a psychologist at Ohio State University, who asked 200 female and male undergraduates to complete a questionnaire dealing with masturbation and the use of porn. The subjects were split into groups and wrote their answers under three different conditions: either they were instructed to hand the finished questionnaire to a fellow student, who waited just beyond an open door and was able to watch the subjects work; or they were given explicit assurances that their answers would be kept anonymous; or they were hooked up to a fake polygraph machine, with bogus electrodes taped to their hands, forearms and necks.

The male replies were about the same under each of the three conditions, but for the females the circumstances were crucial. Many women in the first group said they'd never masturbated, never checked out anything X-rated. The women who were told they would have strict confidentiality answered yes a lot more. And those who thought they were wired to a lie detector replied almost identically to the men.

Fisher's research pointed to wilful denial. Yet, Chivers believed, something more subtle had to be at play. In journals, she found glimmers of evidence that women are less connected to the sensations of their bodies than men are, not just erotically but in other ways. Was this a product of genetic or societal codes? Were girls and women somehow taught to keep a psychic distance from their physical selves?

In a new experiment, Chivers played pornographic audio tapes for straight female subjects. She wanted to know, partly, whether spoken stories would have a different effect on the blood, on the mind. The scenes her subjects heard varied not only by whether they featured a man or a woman in the seductive role, but by whether the scenario involved someone unknown, known well as a friend, or known long as a lover.

Once again, the gap was dramatic: the subjects reported being much more turned on by the scenes starring males than by those with females; the plethysmograph contradicted them. But, this time, it was something else that interested Chivers. Genital blood throbbed when the tapes described X-rated episodes with female friends, but the throbbing for female strangers was twice as powerful. The male friends were deadening; with them, vaginal pulse almost flatlined. Male strangers stirred eight times more blood. Chivers' subjects maintained that the strangers aroused them least of all. The plethysmograph said the opposite: sex with strangers delivered a blood storm.

This didn't fit well with the societal assumption that female sexuality thrives on emotional connection, on established intimacy, on feelings of safety. Instead, the erotic might run best on something raw.

Sarah Blaffer Hrdy, a primatologist and anthropology professor, raised evolutionary reasons why this might be. Her ideas challenged evolutionary psychologists who insisted that women are the less libidinous sex, the sex more suited to monogamy. Hrdy had begun her career studying langur monkeys in India, whose males swoop in to kill newborns not their own. The same goes for the males in a number of other primate species. And female promiscuity among these types of monkeys and baboons evolved, Hrdy believed, partially as a shield: it masked paternity. If a male couldn't be sure which babies were his, he would be less prone to murder them.

Alongside this theory, she put forward an idea that revolved around orgasm. Female climax - in humans and, if it exists, in animals - has been viewed by many evolutionary psychologists as a biologically meaningless by-product with no effect on reproduction. Hrdy believed, however, that female orgasm could be thoroughly relevant among our ancestors. It was evolution's method of making sure that females are libertines, that they move efficiently from one round of sex to the next and frequently from one partner to the next, that they transfer the turn-on of one encounter to the stimulation of the next, building towards climax.

The possibility of multiple orgasms compounded libertine motives. The advantages female animals get from their pleasure-driven behaviour, Hrdy asserted, range from the safeguarding against infanticide in some primate species to, in all, gathering more varied sperm and so gaining better odds of genetic compatibility, of becoming pregnant, of bearing and raising healthy offspring.

In the end, recent science and women's stories left me with pointed lessons: that women's desire - its inherent range and innate power - is an underestimated and constrained force, even in our times. That, despite the notions our culture continues to imbue, this force is not, for the most part, sparked or sustained by emotional intimacy and safety. And that one of our most comforting assumptions - soothing perhaps above all to men, but clung to by both sexes - that female eros is much better made for monogamy than the male libido, is scarcely more than a fairytale.
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So women aren't really being lesbianised by marketing. Its just a representation of the truth about women.


OK so nonetheless why is the innate truth only so recent to the forefront?

From my perspective its now because society is sufficiently save and cosy for women that is seems perfectly acceptable to now dismiss men. We don't need men anymore, we have machines to do our work, we're getting everything simplified so we can do it, we're arranging things so almost evrythig is given to us on a plate, we can have sex with the man we want and then get the man we don't really actually want to raise the kids, we even own your baby seed via the sperm banks. We are now so free we can do what we really want with whoever we want. We've used you now we dispose of you. Bye-bye men. You couldn't fail to get this impression from feminism.
I'm mad.
I'm furious.
I've enough rage to fuel a thousand suns.

neoteny

we're getting everything simplified so we can do it, we're arranging things so almost evrythig is given to us on a plate


I'm not sure that women are as entrepreneurial as men are (on average, of course). And I don't mean the ratio of "women-owned businesses", something which is often only nominally so (for example the business formally is under the wife's control, but in practice the husband runs it) in order to attract governmental set-aside contracts. I mean real innovation, real risk-taking, when a woman has -- or several women have -- a brain wave, figures that she -- or them -- can come up with something new, create a market which did not exist earlier...

I'm not claiming that women are incapable of such originality, only that I suspect that women are less motivated to engage in the riskier aspects of business. I'm amenable to persuasion that my perception is faulty, though.
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Isn't it interesting that at the moment when misandry is so ferociously popular, that lesbianism is also simultaneously climaxing? Does not one shed light on the other? Is not lesbianism an expression of rejection of the male, just as misandry is?

Am I the only one who is suspicious here? If so why?


You are not alone, social propaganda for homosexuality (lesbianism in particular) is everywhere now, and yes from a cultural stand point there is a misandry component attached to it.

Women are NOT naturally bisexual, that's a bunch of BS, and simply looking at blood flow to the genitals is a pretty inaccurate experiment under any condition, and much better research has been done already. Women don't respond to sexual imagery the same as men. Men, for example, look at a nude woman and will feel the desire to have sex with her, while a woman looking at the same picture will feel the desire to BE her; to be the one adored and lusted after. As far as monogamy goes, humans take after the polygamist apes, that is a fact, but to assert that a women's sex drive is not tied to intimacy and that she is just 'lying' shows that the people involved don't know what they're talking about.

No discussion of testosterone, the male brain, or t-dependent cells is required here- every man who has actually had sex with a woman knows that they DO NOT have our sex drive, and we are forced at times to add a "romantic" component which they respond to in order to get laid, period, end of story.

As far as the rise of intersexuality seen in our time goes (including lesbianism), it corresponds very nicely to the sea of chemicals in our environment which are causing the birth of a lot of babies with cellular hermaphroditism; meaning girls being born with male cells, and boys being born with female cells.

I can't prove this but I think a large portion of the homosexual push is for -depopulation and destabilization reasons similar to the unwavering support elite men have given to lunatic movements like feminism.

First stage was to destroy the community (deny and get rid of sex differences and sex roles); next was to destroy the family (state replaces the father, then daycare and preschool replace the mother); now we as a species are so broken down by the PC politics of our time that to simply say that humans are naturally heterosexual is for many an example of hate speech.

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