Extremists

[PaulGuelph]

An interesting quote I have stolen from an unrelated message board:

"Unfortunately it takes one extreme to counter another extreme. Most of the people in the middle just sit there and wait to be told what to think by whichever side wins and gets to dictate the established order. That's why they're called "moderates". And should any of the moderates happen to get up onto their feet and take a stand for what they believe in, they're automatically labeled an "extremist" by whichever side they come out against..."

It is hard to think of an example where moderates have pushed their views into the mainstream. Maybe the MRA have always been too moderate?

[outdoors]

It is hard to think of an example where moderates have pushed their views into the mainstream. Maybe the MRA have always been too moderate?

You should ask Elam about this.

He seems to be pretty good at shutting down the more extreme site's and attacking anyone or anything that doesn't meet his pc agenda.

I guess it feeds his egocentrism.

[Tigerman]

It is hard to think of an example where moderates have pushed their views into the mainstream. Maybe the MRA have always been too moderate?

You should ask Elam about this.

He seems to be pretty good at shutting down the more extreme site's and attacking anyone or anything that doesn't meet his pc agenda.

I guess it feeds his egocentrism.

You should be writing for Jezebel.

[PaulGuelph]

Oh boy. What did I start? 

[Factory]

Actually, this is an important conversation to have.  Several higher profile MRAs have pandered to the mainstream, and labelled other longtime MRAs as 'extremist'.  As has been pointed out here, several longtime MRAs have been 'ousted' from AVfM (myself included), because we are 'too extreme'.  The question never answered is 'in comparison to what?'

The 'fear of looking bad' crowd is what drives this tendency, in my view.  Those who still have not internalized that Government KNOWS all this shit, and has for years, and yet they still follow the Feminist line...  Why is that, do you think?  This is not a battle for polite reasoned debate.  Ever read the Agent Orange files?  DO you seriously think RadFems (and only these radfems) don't infest nearly every arm of Government?  Do you think RadFems are the only Eugenicists in existence?

Ever notice how nicely the Village Busybody attitude of Feminism fits with a Totalitarian Police State?  Ever think maybe Government is USING Feminism precisely to enact these measures, and restrict these freedoms?  Even if they aren't, this whole battle is for the 'undecided vote'....those that haven't paid much attention.

We are most effective when we try and reach men that are unsatisfied, but haven't figured out why.  We are LEAST effective when we try to appeal to women, to bring them on board.  Men do not ...I repeat NOT....respect 'soft, sensitive men' any more than women do.  Men love the lines Bad GUys get in the movies every bit as much as women do.

Feminists have been trying to label us 'extremists' for years, hoping to get us to curb our own effectiveness.  They continue to mislead the public explicitly for the purpose of smearing us...aka, make us 'look bad' no matter what we actually are.  And now we have a sizeable chunk of the MRM following their lead, and taking their advice.  And 'self policing' some of the more effective (or vocal, or tenacious) MRAs right out of having any interest in continuing.

The label 'extremist' should be, on every BBS and Forum, a charge that MUST be backed up with a coherent point or argument, to the point that baseless accusations of being 'extremist' should be a bannable offense.  Same goes for accusations of 'misogyny'...back them up, or you're gone.

The MRM has long been open to detractors, and counter argument.  But we are shooting ourselves in the foot, in exactly the same manner wider society has, when we accomodate the hysterics, and try and walk on eggshells.  The 'fear of looking bad' is the meme that has been used to utterly control the West since the mid '80-'s.  Let's not continue the trend, seeing as how we view ourselves as the guys with some answers.

[Cysterhood]

Actually, this is an important conversation to have.  Several higher profile MRAs have pandered to the mainstream, and labelled other longtime MRAs as 'extremist'.  As has been pointed out here, several longtime MRAs have been 'ousted' from AVfM (myself included), because we are 'too extreme'.  The question never answered is 'in comparison to what?'

The 'fear of looking bad' crowd is what drives this tendency, in my view.  Those who still have not internalized that Government KNOWS all this shit, and has for years, and yet they still follow the Feminist line...  Why is that, do you think?  This is not a battle for polite reasoned debate.  Ever read the Agent Orange files?  DO you seriously think RadFems (and only these radfems) don't infest nearly every arm of Government?  Do you think RadFems are the only Eugenicists in existence?

Ever notice how nicely the Village Busybody attitude of Feminism fits with a Totalitarian Police State?  Ever think maybe Government is USING Feminism precisely to enact these measures, and restrict these freedoms?  Even if they aren't, this whole battle is for the 'undecided vote'....those that haven't paid much attention.

We are most effective when we try and reach men that are unsatisfied, but haven't figured out why.  We are LEAST effective when we try to appeal to women, to bring them on board.  Men do not ...I repeat NOT....respect 'soft, sensitive men' any more than women do.  Men love the lines Bad GUys get in the movies every bit as much as women do.

Feminists have been trying to label us 'extremists' for years, hoping to get us to curb our own effectiveness.  They continue to mislead the public explicitly for the purpose of smearing us...aka, make us 'look bad' no matter what we actually are.  And now we have a sizeable chunk of the MRM following their lead, and taking their advice.  And 'self policing' some of the more effective (or vocal, or tenacious) MRAs right out of having any interest in continuing.

The label 'extremist' should be, on every BBS and Forum, a charge that MUST be backed up with a coherent point or argument, to the point that baseless accusations of being 'extremist' should be a bannable offense.  Same goes for accusations of 'misogyny'...back them up, or you're gone.

The MRM has long been open to detractors, and counter argument.  But we are shooting ourselves in the foot, in exactly the same manner wider society has, when we accomodate the hysterics, and try and walk on eggshells.  The 'fear of looking bad' is the meme that has been used to utterly control the West since the mid '80-'s.  Let's not continue the trend, seeing as how we view ourselves as the guys with some answers.

Bravo!
That's the way women work: they seep-in ,undermine, obfuscate and throw somany demands in the air that you don't know which to go for. This will be the result of women at AVfM and everywhere else.

[CaptDMO]

Bravo!
That's the way women work: they seep-in ,undermine, obfuscate and throw so many demands in the air that you don't know which to go for.

Well, only the extreemist ones!

As has been pointed out here, several longtime MRAs have been 'ousted' from AVfM (myself included), because we are 'too extreme'. 

Well, some just never "signed on" to AVfM, after primary scrutiny. 

[outdoors]

It is hard to think of an example where moderates have pushed their views into the mainstream. Maybe the MRA have always been too moderate?

You should ask Elam about this.

He seems to be pretty good at shutting down the more extreme site's and attacking anyone or anything that doesn't meet his pc agenda.

I guess it feeds his egocentrism.

You should be writing for Jezebel.

You can fuck right off.

[outdoors]

Actually, this is an important conversation to have.  Several higher profile MRAs have pandered to the mainstream, and labelled other longtime MRAs as 'extremist'.  As has been pointed out here, several longtime MRAs have been 'ousted' from AVfM (myself included), because we are 'too extreme'.  The question never answered is 'in comparison to what?'

The 'fear of looking bad' crowd is what drives this tendency, in my view.  Those who still have not internalized that Government KNOWS all this shit, and has for years, and yet they still follow the Feminist line...  Why is that, do you think?  This is not a battle for polite reasoned debate.  Ever read the Agent Orange files?  DO you seriously think RadFems (and only these radfems) don't infest nearly every arm of Government?  Do you think RadFems are the only Eugenicists in existence?

Ever notice how nicely the Village Busybody attitude of Feminism fits with a Totalitarian Police State?  Ever think maybe Government is USING Feminism precisely to enact these measures, and restrict these freedoms?  Even if they aren't, this whole battle is for the 'undecided vote'....those that haven't paid much attention.

We are most effective when we try and reach men that are unsatisfied, but haven't figured out why.  We are LEAST effective when we try to appeal to women, to bring them on board.  Men do not ...I repeat NOT....respect 'soft, sensitive men' any more than women do.  Men love the lines Bad GUys get in the movies every bit as much as women do.

Feminists have been trying to label us 'extremists' for years, hoping to get us to curb our own effectiveness.  They continue to mislead the public explicitly for the purpose of smearing us...aka, make us 'look bad' no matter what we actually are.  And now we have a sizeable chunk of the MRM following their lead, and taking their advice.  And 'self policing' some of the more effective (or vocal, or tenacious) MRAs right out of having any interest in continuing.

The label 'extremist' should be, on every BBS and Forum, a charge that MUST be backed up with a coherent point or argument, to the point that baseless accusations of being 'extremist' should be a bannable offense.  Same goes for accusations of 'misogyny'...back them up, or you're gone.

The MRM has long been open to detractors, and counter argument.  But we are shooting ourselves in the foot, in exactly the same manner wider society has, when we accomodate the hysterics, and try and walk on eggshells.  The 'fear of looking bad' is the meme that has been used to utterly control the West since the mid '80-'s.  Let's not continue the trend, seeing as how we view ourselves as the guys with some answers.

Bravo!
That's the way women work: they seep-in ,undermine, obfuscate and throw somany demands in the air that you don't know which to go for. This will be the result of women at AVfM and everywhere else.

Yep,watched woolybumblehead get slammed by Elam today for this very reason.

[Cordell Walker]

An interesting quote I have stolen from an unrelated message board:

"Unfortunately it takes one extreme to counter another extreme. Most of the people in the middle just sit there and wait to be told what to think by whichever side wins and gets to dictate the established order. That's why they're called "moderates". And should any of the moderates happen to get up onto their feet and take a stand for what they believe in, they're automatically labeled an "extremist" by whichever side they come out against..."

It is hard to think of an example where moderates have pushed their views into the mainstream. Maybe the MRA have always been too moderate?

I have stated something similar4 to this........IMO many MRA's spend too much energy trying to convince the other side how non threatening they are, kinda like the NRA on second amendment issues. the extremists can scare the other side into dealing with the moderates, kinda like Malcolm scared people into  listening to more moderate civil rights leaders like martin

[outdoors]

 Seems to me that it is the feminist extremist's that are the most well known.

There is nothing wrong with a few extremist's on our side.

They are not scared to get down to the truth of the matter and are even less scared to say it.

I may not be an extremist,but I certainly did not mind reading their opinion's and sometimes learning from them or using them.

Sometimes feminist's will only react to extreme critic's of the feminist manipulated conversation's.

Why are the feminist extremist's so praised and well known?

Because they were extremist's.

Tyical of people like Elam,they can,we can't. Same as feminist's,they can,we can't.

And we wonder why we  are getting no where.