Letter to Bethany House

Started by Sir Jessy of Anti, Apr 16, 2004, 10:11 AM

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Sir Jessy of Anti

Quote from: "devia"
Steven.

Please tell me how this "letter" does not say that woman are faking being abused in mass within this region of the US.


What the letter actually states is that women at this shelter are being coaxed into making false accusations and leveling injust injunctions against the men in their lives, your attempt at misdirection not withstanding.

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It is one of many articles being posted on this site that seem to have no other purpose except to push the agenda that woman as a collective lie, and men as a collective are morally superior.
IMO this does no human justice.


No, the purpose of this letter is to expose corrupt feminist conditioning and abuses at this shelter.
"The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master." -- Ayn Rand<br /><br />

devia

<<<Instead of letting one member say any thing balanced and fair you are trying to feed them lines and present men as one sided.>>>

Please show me an example of this.

How am I disrupting this forum by questioning the source and tone of this letter?

As far as the allegations that I am a practicing feminist are concerned.


Hilarious, considering one of your so nice girls is a Ms reg.


I am the owner of slavejournal.com, as much as feminists would like to tie me to a stake there are many conservatives who'd like to tie me there as well. I am not however someone who anyone in their right mind would label as a feminist, except perhaps a neo conservative who wants to throw every deserting voice out in the same bathwater

LSBeene

Devia


You're trying to draw me into your "perspective" conversation where you frame the answer before asking the question.

Sorry, not falling for it.  Your whole take on several subjects, as well as your "just asking a question" tactic is clear.  

If you have something useful to add, or want to discuss something all well and good.  

Let me know when you are serious.

Steven
'Watch our backs at home, we'll guard the wall over here. You can sleep safe tonight, we'll guard the door."

Isaiah 6:8
"Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"

Mr. Nickle

This is like Superman and Clark Kent.

whatgoesaround has disappeared and devia is back.... hmmmm

At this point it's just a suspicion, however, several more repetitions of this pattern could lead one to make a conclusion. We'll have to wait and see.


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navyblue

Quote from: "devia"
<<<Instead of letting one member say any thing balanced and fair you are trying to feed them lines and present men as one sided.>>>

Please show me an example of this.

How am I disrupting this forum by questioning the source and tone of this letter?

As far as the allegations that I am a practicing feminist are concerned.


Hilarious, considering one of your so nice girls is a Ms reg.


I am the owner of slavejournal.com, as much as feminists would like to tie me to a stake there are many conservatives who'd like to tie me there as well. I am not however someone who anyone in their right mind would label as a feminist, except perhaps a neo conservative who wants to throw every deserting voice out in the same bathwater


I'll give this a shot. I'm a woman and feel qualified.

There is a passive aggressive tone in your posts when you respond to men. I recognize it because it is so prevalent in females that are angry but don't want to talk about their rage and instead ask pie-eyed questions that are sidebars and distractions. If I sound bold it's because I'm entirely testy from the debacle on another thread where all women were assigned demon status because of the type of compost you're piling up on this thread.

Here's some reality if the post made by a man about how unhealthy battered women's shelters are doesn't fit your paradigm. I was a caseworker for seven years and interfaced constantly with these shelters along with my other work. The shelter in my city was a haven for misandry and the promotion of the crackpot ideology of inherent female victimhood and perpetual helplessness. There was no male staff allowed because men were perpetrators and women were too 'frightened' to handle male presence. This is the coup de grace in irrational thinking given that women have to deal with men when they leave shelters (unless the feminists have their way and effectively gas, burn, or machine gun men off the planet), and failing to allow women healthy interaction with males is a travesty in the BS mission to 'empower' women. I say BS because no one 'empowers another human being, least of all the feminists who are so angry at males and small children, they can't utter a phrase that doesn't cite male perpetrated domestic violence or the Blessed Roe v Wade.

Women in this shelter were encouraged to view men as dangerous and the female staff members were considered to be the only 'safe' fellow humans to which women could turn. So 'unsafe' was the rest of the world that even the other service agencies and female caseworkers were not allowed to know the address of the shelter. When we actually had an abuse case we had to enter a covert operation that the Navy SEALs would have found convoluted, and gyrate to the agenda and rules of the female shelter staff until they were certain that their 'client' (that's femspeak for 'devotee') was safe from the attempts of the male perpetrator to track her to the shelter. Thus the indoc program began. I would see these same women a few weeks later for follow up on other services and they were glassy eyed from the mantras they said daily in devotion to the Big Meanie theory and insane idea that only feminist, and often lesbian, women could save them from what was essentially their own poor choices. I'll qualify that there were women that had in fact been severely beaten and injured and of course, they required assistance. But I'll add that a woman in a truly abusive relationship has responsibility in the dynamics in her life and she has to undergo serious self-examination and personal trial to get honest about her circumstances. Women's shelters are not about the business of fostering that kind of self-inventory.

The staff in these places run their programs on the concept that " no woman is responsible for her abuse". Sorry to ruin the feminists high rendered by their creepy fantasy that a relationship is dysfunctional because a man is in it, but, while violence is pathological indeed, it takes two to create a mess in intimate and domestic matters and instructing females that they unwittingly stumbled into that mess and were then held captive is a lie and unconscionable.
 Fallujah Delenda Est. ~
Peace Through Naval Special Warfare

Sir Duke

Quote from: "devia"
battered men= A real problem that is not being addressed.


battered woman = A falsehood that does not happen in real life.

I guess there might be some sort of middleground between those two hugely opposing points of view, but that would be silly wouldn't it?

Better to chant the mantra of the men's right's group.....

Men do not commit evil woman do... men are superior to woman in everyway.


I don't believe that fundamentally, the men here feel that way at all. You have to be blind not to see that the issue of battered men is not being addressed at all. It appears you are asserting the men here are the opposite extreme of feminist and that you believe you are the common ground between the two. Maybe if that is so, and I strongly do not believe so, maybe, just maybe you could use a different approach to how you send your message accross. Unless you don't care to be understood and just want your opposing view to be heard and how it makes you feel.

LSBeene

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Steven
'Watch our backs at home, we'll guard the wall over here. You can sleep safe tonight, we'll guard the door."

Isaiah 6:8
"Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"

Quasimodo

Steven,
I would not celebrate a victory over Devia's self-serving illogic just yet. She has succeeded spectacularly. Her trolling has diverted and effectively killed the original purpose of the thread.

(Just had hand surgery, can't type.)
axine Waters on the 2004 March for Women:
"I have to march because my mother could not have an abortion." ! ! !

dr e

This is an important thread.  I know of this shelter and have heard of its misandry.  I know a man whose wife went to this shelter and his life has been hell ever since.  From his description, and I do believe him, everything this woman says is true.  

The most unbelievable thing is that this place is funded by the United Way and others who don't have a clue about the hatefulness that lies at its core.  Cloaked under the "we need secrecy to help the victims" mantra this sort of place can wreak havoc without any accountability.  It is way past time to have professionally peer reviewed open assessments of this type of organization.  Something must be done about this.  An article in a major newspaper would go a long way to exposing this hatred and might put other shelters on the defensive to have to prove that they are not like this bed of hate.
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

neoteny

Quote from: "Dr Evil"
This is an important thread. [...]


Precisely; that's why Devia is running interference.
The spreading of information about the [quantum] system through the [classical] environment is ultimately responsible for the emergence of "objective reality." 

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dr e

Yes Neoteny, quite correct.  Let's discuss.
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

D

Quote from: "devia"
Steven.

Please tell me how this "letter" does not say that woman are faking being abused in mass within this region of the US.

It is one of many articles being posted on this site that seem to have no other purpose except to push the agenda that woman as a collective lie, and men as a collective are morally superior.

IMO this does no human justice.



There is an awefully huge insentive for women to claim abuse these days.  I am noticing the same seems to be growing for me.  This is what the communists wanted, feminists demanded.  

In fact isn't feminism just communism genderized and thrown at society hoping masculinism would follow thus completing the communist/socialist circule?

Sir Duke

Navyblue, your post was incredible. Thank you.

Type 5

Quote from: "Sir Duke"
Navyblue, your post was incredible. Thank you.


Yes. Boffo stuff! Keep it coming!

NealGold

Yes, Dan.  With no men -- except those in the ruling elite -- to fight against an empire of expanding evil, who ELSE will?
A man conscious of his strength, observes Nietzsche, need have no fear of women. It is only the man who finds himself utterly helpless in the face of feminine cajolery that must cry, "Get thee behind me, Satan!" and flee. The normal, healthy man...still keeps a level head. He is strong enough to weather the sexual storm. But the man who cannot do this, who experiences no normal reaction in the direction of guardedness and caution and reason, must either abandon himself utterly as a helpless slave to woman's instinct of race-preservation, and so become a bestial voluptuary, or avoid temptation altogether and so become a celibate." -- H.L. Mencken on Nietzsche's philosophy of women

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