Women with AIDS raping men in S. Africa "for revenge''

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Daymar

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9591970%255E2703,00.html

Women rape in AIDS fury

May 18, 2004

SOUTH Africa, where human rights groups say one in two women risks being raped, is grappling with a new twist to its biggest public health problem: women who rape men, often at gunpoint, in a deliberate attempt to infect them with AIDS.

In one recent case, a 39-year-old father of three was ambushed on his way home from work late at night on the East Rand, near Johannesburg. Three armed women forced him to accompany them to an isolated field near his bus stop.

The man was ordered to strip and was then raped by each of the women.

The traumatised victim told police one of the women had mocked him with the words: "Welcome to the world of AIDS."

The assault was the latest in a string of similar rapes in recent months.    

"This seems to be something that's becoming very common, and it seems as if revenge is the motive," said East Rand police inspector Umgau Geelbooi Hadebe, who is leading the investigation into such assaults in the region of Johannesburg.

Women rapists have been reported in other provinces. Earlier this year, a man was raped in the town of Middleburg, 150km east of Johannesburg. Similar reports have come in from KwaZuluNatal and the Western Cape.

"It looks very much like there are women who are raping men because they were infected with AIDS," Inspector Hadebe said.

"The first attack took place about Christmas time, and the victim, an 18-year-old schoolboy, was also taunted that he was now infected with AIDS.

"This is very unusual, because we're used to dealing with men raping women."

But it is not so unusual, according to Delphine Senumaga, director of People Against Women Abuse.

"Men have been rape victims for quite some time," she said. "What has changed is that men are now responding to our rape awareness campaigns - they are coming forward to report the crime, whereas before they would have been shamed into silence."

Ms Senumaga said people who discovered they had been infected with HIV, either through their partner or by rape, might be driven to seek vengeance.

"When people find they are infected with the virus they react in different ways. Some want to hit back at those they feel are responsible," she said.

UN figures show 5.2 million of South Africa's 47 million people are infected with HIV.

PowerMan72

Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."

Bilbo

Are these men actually becoming infected?

At the risk of sounding un-hip, I have to say that I would have an awfully difficult time "performing" at gunpoint.
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Sir Jessy of Anti

I remember being told a similar story 15 years ago.  I figured it was an urban legend at the time.  This story hit a note with me because the punchline is the same, i.e. "Welcome to the world of AIDS".  That line is identical to the urban legend I heard 15 years ago.  I'm not saying this isn't real though, I have seen the story in the mainstream African News recently as well.

Though, there is a possibility that it could simply be an urban legend that is (also) being carried by international news because it is so strange.  Who knows.
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PowerMan72

Yeah, I thought the same thing Bilbo.  Looks like this tale (and a number of variants) are just urban legends though . . .

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa052198.htm
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Sir Jessy of Anti

I'm not convinced that it is an urban legend, I just think it could be.  A while back I posted a story here with the same theme (women rape man) that occured in Africa, but it was missing the punchline "welcome to the world of aids).  It was simply reported as a rape story, and even included the investigating officer's name IIRC.  Then more recently I have also seen 3 or 4 other cases (with different victims obviously) of the same thing.  Only this one and one other have included the punchline, but that could be for any number of reasons.  :?
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LSBeene

Nope, not an urban legend.

About 10 years ago, if memory serves, this happened in Boston too.

Now, this was before I was an MRA, but after my first false allegation.  Also, I have a relative ( a close one - relevant fact, but beyond that, very private) who has HIV (not yet AIDS).

There was a story in, if I am not mistaken, the Boston Globe, that told of 2 men who men 2 ladies who were "anxious to please".  These women appeared to be "out of their league" but were quite willing to do "anything" (sexually - including anal sex - sorry, but this is about AIDS) with the guys.

The next day the guys woke up and found a note that told them that they had been infected with AIDS.

I don't know if they were or not, but it was rather newsworthy.

And the newspaper found others who came forward on the East Coast who told of similar experiences.  These women, who I don't believe were caught, we doing a Thelma and Louise on the East Coast using (the authorities think) interstate 95.

Again, it's from memory.  But I did read it as a story in the paper.

Steven
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But it is not so unusual, according to Delphine Senumaga, director of People Against Women Abuse.

"Men have been rape victims for quite some time," she said.


I'd like to ask Ms. Senumaga:   Since you admit that men have been rape victims for quite some time, why do you call your organization People Against Women Abuse ?

Methinks Ms. Senumaga isn't as concerned about male rape victims as she appears on the surface.
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But it is not so unusual, according to Delphine Senumaga, director of People Against Women Abuse.

"Men have been rape victims for quite some time," she said.


I'd like to ask Ms. Senumaga:   Since you admit that men have been rape victims for quite some time, why do you call your organization People Against Women Abuse ?


Because it's already the fault of the men...

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"Men have been rape victims for quite some time," she said. "What has changed is that men are now responding to our rape awareness campaigns - they are coming forward to report the crime, whereas before they would have been shamed into silence."


See... "men didn't start responding until recently and before that let themselve be shamed into silence. Before this happened there was no reason to even mention it."  :x
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PowerMan72

:x
Ghastly stuff.
Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."

Daymar

Jessy, I remembered reading that line too. I think it was from a different article posted on this board by someone else.

The thing that I thought was odd about this article is that they're saying they "think" the women are doing it out of revenge as if it's an excuse. So, the men who gave it to them did it out of revenge against women because women gave aids to the men or something?

How about we just call these women what they are instead.

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Aw, and who said romance was dead?!


Hand me my gun.  Point me at romance, and me ask that question again.

Sir Jessy of Anti

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Jessy, I remembered reading that line too. I think it was from a different article posted on this board by someone else.


Not according to the board search.   I did see it on some African news sites provided to me by google news search (at the time - a month or so ago??).
"The man who speaks to you of sacrifice, speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master." -- Ayn Rand<br /><br />

Daymar

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Not according to the board search.


They might have just linked to the article.

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