Started by Gabriel, Jun 18, 2004, 11:00 AM
Okaaaay......I agree totally. Except for the feminist bit. Of COURSE men usually initiate sex in our society! And what's more, you'd probably be very startled and start to call it "rape" if the women suddenly took out after you.
How can we communicate this clearly, and yet keep social options open for a later date, in the context of the very reality you have so well described?
Or are you saying nothing would be enough because it's the man's job to keep pushing until success is achieved?
what does a clear "no" actually look like?
I don't suppose anyone here will care to defend the use of Rohypnol to drug a woman.
I guess I'd support a woman making a charge on this basis of being overpowered, overpersuaded
Rape will usualy boil down to a he said - she said scenario. There is nothing you can do to prevent this. It's the nature of the aqusation. This does not make it any less a crime, just harder to prove.
Point of order: The "he said, she said" scenario is an ACCUSATION, not a crime. A crime MAY have occurred, a misunderstanding MAY have occurred, or a false accusation MAY be occuring (i.e., another crime). Healthy skepticism is the order of the day, and granting that the "he said, she said" scenario isn't "any less of a crime, just harder to prove", violates that skepticism.
Q, wonderful post. I give up; you are right, of course.
she never consents
But if that's all it is, it isn't rape: it's him scoring and her losing, that's all.
It was him overpersuading