iFeminism is a scam

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dr e

Well then make your case and show everyone how I treat people differently.
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

CaptDMO

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Where is the attack in saying that?  It could be taken as a smart ass thing to say but I don't see it as a personal attack.  Please tell me just how you see that as a personal attack?  If we banned people for saying smart ass things a whole lotta folks would be gone by now.  Would you like me to ban Devia for saying this?  If so, then I will go back and look at the last couple of days for people making smart ass comments and ban them too.  Let me know what you would like.


Nooooooooooooooo! PLEASE don't go back and ban...um....people.....that have a history of smart ass remarks.

However, thank you Vic, for pointing out the usual suspects(and the usual champions). As much as I try to maintain serenity, I too see the same old, same old, and try to nip it in the bud. Unfortunately, for some silly integrity thing, I only use one name, EVER. And because I like to post here I force self restraint. Perhaps........ too much.
 I find it easier and easier to recognize the writings of specific folk hiding behind several masks. As I'm not a moderator with tracking resources,I can only OPINE this;

    LST800- "Methinks ye doth protest too much"  Shakespeare

Dr Evil
          LET IT BE  KNOWN TO ALL CONCERNED
 The posts under "devia" have a clear history of childish snipeing. They have been rife with disruptive and contraproductive printed vandalism. If you are asking for input on this matter, I say ban repeated posters of "I know you are but what  am  I?" and "Who?..ME!" and, "I'll bet you....."
level of logic. It will give them more time to enrich their own web pages.
 This is MY OPINION on this poster "devia" s  musings and on this-                   I STAND MY GROUND

dr e

Thanks for the feedback Capt'n.  

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The posts under "devia" have a clear history of childish snipeing. They have been rife with disruptive and contraproductive printed vandalism. If you are asking for input on this matter, I say ban repeated posters of "I know you are but what am I?" and "Who?..ME!" and, "I'll bet you....."
level of logic. It will give them more time to enrich their own web pages.
This is MY OPINION on this poster "devia" s musings and on this- I STAND MY GROUND


I agree completely that Devia has a history of childish sniping and that she has been a party to the "I know you are but what am I?" mentality.  The question in my mind is, is that enough to ban someone?  Because they are childish and annoying?  If that is true then there are a couple of people I can think of that need to go.  Devia is bright and knows how to stay within the rules.  If this group wants to make new rules that is a different question and one I would be happy to discuss.
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

Double Jeopardy

res ipsa loquitur[/i]

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Double Jeopardy, are you saying the people should speak for themsleves, or the board should?

('cause if it's the people, then the usage is wrong, I think)

powder-monkey

DLove wrote:

"I was quite surprised to hear all the unconditional support for Wendy."
There was no unconditional support.  There were objections to unsubstantiated allegations about her hatred of men and evil intentions.

" I think that the independent feminist (smirk) and their intellectional babble, seems
to harbor not on the core issues of the men's movement and the real anger that is smokin' there but the discussion is usually about the softer more palatable
ideas that while they provide thoughtful conversation, they are never about core men's issues that would make her and her articles bullseye pinup targets
for the radical feminist."
So what?  Ifeminists makes no pretensions to being a MRA site.  Why waste time condemning those who are in sympathy with us, but don't conform to some arbitrary orthodoxy?  There are enough true enemies out there without searching out heretics to burn.

"We have beaten the (Role of women in MRO's) cow already and since we have all chosen our sides on this
issue I think we can each say she has made contributions towards the movement BUT that being said, there are many of us who still wonder how effective
can this soft mumbo jumbo be when we believe that angrier, louder and stronger voices is what is needed to be heard."
Who's stopping you?  At the end of the day, she adds weight to our side of the scales.

As for Devia's post:
She made a cross-thread reference which has led to some confusion.  If you read LST 8000's post, immediately following hers, he explains that he wasn't being serious when he made the remark.  This is probably why he is conspicuous by his absence amongst the complaintants - to his credit.  

p-m

kal147

Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.

InternetDevil

Quote from: "DLove"
I was quite surprised to hear all the unconditional support for Wendy.


Even if I have disagreements with her, her support of FREEDOM and equality makes me her ally.

In any case, we can never expect self bashing from our female allies -- like pro-feminist men do.  Most profeminist men are not free -- they are under court order to do so as an expiation for DV.

LSBeene

I know I have been rather quiet and absent of late and I apologize for that.

People here have asked, either specifically or in general, why there is such widespread support from so many of Wendy McElroy.  

I would like the answer that.  

I am so supportive of her because of 2 major reasons:

1) This is why I support her on a personal level: When I was deep in my "I'm a falsely accused guy and no one cares" funk I wrote her a letter and poured out my hurt.  This was before I had ANY IDEA there WERE/ARE any men's boards.  I was utterly alone.  I could not talk to my wife as she didn't understand what I had been through, when I had told people (close friends) it had, invariably, leaked out and the whole "he's a rapist" whispering campaigns began, and I knew of no support apparatus for guys like me.

So, I wrote Wendy a letter.  I didn't know she was a syndicated columnist (I don't think she was quite famous yet), I just ran across her site.  Now, understand, I had no idea WHO she was or WHAT she stood for.  Part of my was a letter of "I dare you to say something you freaking feminist!" in tone, but a lot of it was hoping against hope (as I had been treated quite shabbily by many other women I had confided in) that I would hear FROM A WOMAN that what happened to me was wrong.  

The letter I got in return (she didn't have to write me at all, I mean, who was I to her?) was warm, empathetic, and referred me to some men's sites (Men's Activism if memory serves).  She showed me I wasn't alone.  She told me that what happened to me wasn't my fault.  She didn't treat me like shit (as many others HAD) or blame me or ask me "what did you do to piss this woman off?".  No, she treated me better than some of my "friends" had.  

So, that's why I support her on a personal level.

2) Why I support her as a fair advocate for equality:  Many of us know that if a woman doesn't walk in LOCK-STEP with the Feminazis that the woman is ostracized.  Wendy is her own person, and, in my opinion, is very equality minded.  She's stepped on quite a few feminazi toes, endured smear campaigns while sticking to her guns, and shown a lot of character.  She has told me, and no I won't reveal the details, of many personal attacks on her life, her marraige, and her professional career by feminazis.  They have sought to destroy her marraige, trick her by E-mail into saying something that can be used against her, and step on her career.  Does that sound like a friend of the Fem-Nat'l Socialists?

Do we MRAs agree with all her positions?  Hell, we don't always agree with each other!  But her writing has highlighted the wrongs done to dads, to men being raped in prison, exposed "cry rape for profit" scams, talked about CEDAW in the U.N., shown how the feminazis use "statistics", exposed how C.P.S. (Child Protective Services) is destroying families, shed light on the true agendas of "womyn's studies" programs, and published other authors who held her views.  Wendy has used her columns to print stuff that the mainstream press won't cover.  Why .. exactly, are we hating her?!  Does she bite as hard as we'd like?  I don't know, but that's HER style of writing and no one is going to please everyone, especially when the topics she covers are so freaking controversial to begin with.

Wendy, if she was what most of us MRAs term a "feminist", would tout the party line and be immensely more "popular".  But that's not what she does.  

It irks a lot of MRAs that she uses the word feminist in a positive manner.  I've noticed that.  To HER generation, and to her friends the word HAS some redemptive meaning, a root essence of equality.  Sure, I know pretty much everyone here has been burned (multiple times myself) by women calling themselves "feminists".  That's because the aristocratic "victimologist" harpies who use the word feminist have perverted it and twisted it.  Now, before you jump down my throat saying "feminism has always been bad", realize that I am defending the EQUALITY of the idea, not it's present nor past female supremacist ideology.


So there are the reasons I respect, and very much like, Wendy.  

I hope I added to the discussion.

Respectfully

Steven
'Watch our backs at home, we'll guard the wall over here. You can sleep safe tonight, we'll guard the door."

Isaiah 6:8
"Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"

kal147

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She has told me ... of many personal attacks on her life, her marraige, and her professional career by feminazis. They have sought to destroy her marraige, trick her by E-mail into saying something that can be used against her, and step on her career. Does that sound like a friend of the Fem-Nat'l Socialists?


Thanks Steven, I hadn't the patience for this thread as it was obviously a mean-spirited smear campaign by the thread originator.

Double Jeopardy

Quote from: "kal147"
Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.


Hold onto your socks, there, sport. No one is imitating you unless you confess to imitating LST8000.

Double Jeopardy

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She has told me ... of many personal attacks on her life, her marraige, and her professional career by feminazis. They have sought to destroy her marraige, trick her by E-mail into saying something that can be used against her, and step on her career. Does that sound like a friend of the Fem-Nat'l Socialists?


Thanks Steven, I hadn't the patience for this thread as it was obviously a mean-spirited smear campaign by the thread originator.



It sounds like Wendy can handle her own affairs quite easily. LST8000 has done no harm. Besides, the idea that your enemies enemy must be your friend is a very near sighted outlook on reality.

kal147

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No one is imitating you


Oh, really pal

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It sounds like Wendy can handle her own affairs quite easily.


Well Wendy's not here is she? But, she has friends here.

Double Jeopardy

Quote from: "kal147"
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No one is imitating you


Oh, really pal


U betcha, bub.

Quote from: "kal147"
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It sounds like Wendy can handle her own affairs quite easily.


Well Wendy's not here is she? But, she has friends here.


I know Wendy well enough to know she could very well be reading this and could care less, being her friend you should know that as well.  She no doubt would care less, a lot less than you,  apparently. :lol:

LSBeene

Gee .. KAL likes Wendy ... Double Jepordy likes Wendy ... and we're having a pissing contest WHY exactly?

Inquiring minds wanna know?   :twisted:

Steven
'Watch our backs at home, we'll guard the wall over here. You can sleep safe tonight, we'll guard the door."

Isaiah 6:8
"Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"

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