Hells Angels open letter (I think it's important to mra's)

Started by Conspiracy Theory, Sep 09, 2004, 06:45 AM

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Unfortunately I haven't found an online link to the letter published in today's Globe and Mail, but I will sum up a few lines before typing it up if need be.

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"a national police strategy for combating biker gangs that relied heavily on manipulating the media, to convince the public to pressure polilticians to devote more money to police"

Description of contents of a document which was evidence at an RCMP disciplinary-panel hearing in Edmonton in 2001, as initially reported in the March 23, 2001 Blue Line News Week (which describe itself as " A Weekly Chronicle of News for the Canadian Law Enforcement Community).



The reason I posted this is to point out the bias in the media in regards to law enforement, I no doubt assume that most of the western world is like this, as Canada is second only to the US in putting people in jail, putting men in jail that is.

Now we aren't bikers, but I truely believe that these philosphies continue on other areas , such as domestic violence, sexual assault, child abuse, sexual harrassment etc......  

This is a concern for men, and shows to some degree who the real force behind all the demonization of men really is.  

IT's about processing the system.  Justice is a fraud, and their constant encouragement of telling women to come forward and lay charges has noting to do about solving the problems of the above mentioned but rather to spin the wheels of the machine, to make money.  

I'm sorry I didn't make a more clearer post, but I think this is a break through, and for some members on this board who want to combine other groups in our cause, well, all I need say is, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

This isn't about bikers, or whether we support them, this is about how Police agencies use 'strategies to undermine our rights' to further their own selfish interests, not necessarily the interests of the public or its saftey.

I am even seeing more and more women being falsly accused by children's serviced and the police courts in order to take away their children etc.....  This is a growing issue for more than just mra's, and we who are concerned with this things should reach out.

I believe that the real reasons we do not see such issues as men's suicide rates or other illnesses is because that demonization pogrom must continue.  If society saw men as people with problems crime wouldn't pay the police, probably because we just might come up with a better solution.
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ~ Mark Twain

MacKenzie

I remember Angry Harry found a report in which a Police Official said that he was opposed to the legalization of marijuana because it would reduce the Police's authority to arrest and detain suspects at will. Without a warrant.
FEMINISM IS A CULT THAT TRIES TO MAKE BOTH SEXES EQUAL BY FOCUSING SOLELY ON ONE OF THEM

CaptDMO

YES, I lifted this from another site.
Yes, I cited the article.
Yes, these are MY words.
Yes, this is the type of free fear mongering IACP enjoy with the press.
For any concerned, I invite you independent examination of
  The International Association of Chiefs of Police.
Perhaps you may have gotten one of their "This is being recorded" fund raiser calls?




Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 3:20 pm    Post subject: And the band kept playing on.........  

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I'm not sure where to post this as it strikes me as so wrong, on so many different levels.

On the front page of the NH Sunday News the headline was "Rebuilding Her Sandcastle" The sub title, in bold, was "Survival in Amhearst. She survived the abuse, she survived the dive bombing, and now she's helping others survive. It was different in the on-line edition for the nation to read.
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http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=43048

News - August 29, 2004

Surviving wife still struggles with day husband crashed a plane into their home
By ROGER TALBOT
Sunday News Staff



In 20 years of marriage he had left no visible bruise, but she had long been scarred inside before that Saturday in August 2001 when he destroyed all that defined their lives.

At about 7:25 that sunny morning, a few minutes after his Socata Trinidad rose from the tarmac at Nashua's Boire Field, Louis W. Joy III radioed the control tower to ask if Amherst was "over by the green water tower," the National Transportation Safety Board would later report.

Twelve minutes later, Joy circled the single-engine plane above the lavish house, whose construction he had obsessed over, among the tall trees at 10 High Meadow Lane in Amherst. In an eerie prelude to what would happen at the World Trade Center in just 18 days, he used the plane as a weapon, crashing it into the house, dying amid the burning and exploding rubble.


The Amherst home of Louis W. Joy III on Aug. 25, 2001, after he crashed his plane into it. (BOB LaPREE/UNION LEADER)
In a flash of violence, Jo A. Joy's sandcastle was gone.

Three years later, her life still turns on that moment.

She described the residual effects in an interview with the Sunday News.

She spoke of a potent emotional brew that combines the memory of years of abuse that preceded the climactic event, the violence of that day, and its proximity in time to what terrorists did by crashing commercial airliners into the towers in New York City and the Pentagon.

"It's difficult at times," said Jo, who has taken back her maiden name of Fonda.

"There are a lot of things that can trigger a reaction from me. I'm way better than I used to be in terms of dealing with stress and conflict and things like that, but I still have a lot of wounds that are easily opened."

The prelude
The story, she said, picking the words with care, "isn't in the sensational ending. It's really in what led up to it."

"To the extent that people can gain insight for their own relationships and for those around them who might be in an abusive situation by hearing my example, my story, that is the good I'm looking for," she said.

Mrs. Joy was not in her home on Aug. 25, 2001. She was staying at a hotel with the couple's 8-year-old daughter at the urging of David Lauren, the lawyer who had helped get a restraining order against her husband. Police had served the papers the night before and escorted Louis Joy from the house.

Prescient advice
"I always advise clients not to go back for at least 12 to 24 hours because, unfortunately, there are all too many circumstances where batterers, being told to leave the house, leave and then come back an hour or two later with some form of a weapon," Lauren said.

"When people think of domestic violence, they think of physical violence. They think of bruises, black eyes, broken arms, but domestic violence is all about power and control."

That control can be psychological -- an assault, but purely emotional. It is, the lawyer said, "the most insidious form of domestic violence because it leaves no visible scars."

Such was the case with Jo Fonda.

The early years
She was 16 when she first met Louis Joy, five years her senior. They lived in upstate New York, near Schenectady.

In the 1980s, they worked to put each other through college and earn graduate degrees in business: Louis, at Duke University; Jo, at Penn State's Wharton School.

They lived in North Carolina, New Jersey, on Long Island, N.Y., and in Delaware.

Picture two well-educated, motivated, focused individuals who worked well together.

"We were definitely good business partners," Fonda said.

Teamwork and success
In 1993, they co-authored a trade book, "Frontline Teamwork," that told the story of a fictional manager and his "team" who rejuvenate an ailing manufacturing company. Not a best-seller, but it remains recommended reading in business circles.

"The point of the book wasn't to make a lot of money. It was to grow the consulting business, which it did," Fonda recalled. "It all worked very well. The companies he worked with did really well with his teachings and when they implemented his practices."

Louis Joy was at a stage where he ran his business out of his hat. He had developed a national reputation as a manufacturing and operations management consultant to big-name companies.

Home in New Hampshire
Job changes precipitated some of the Joys' moves, including the one that brought them to New Hampshire.

Fonda remembered how she came north in January 2000, to take a job as financial controller for a high tech firm.

"I moved up first and found some temporary housing and then we all moved up (from Newark, Del.) in July of 2000. We moved into our new house in April 2001," she said.

The house was big -- 5,800 square feet, four bedrooms, five baths, set on 11 acres, valued at $750,000 -- and it reflected Louis Joy's obsession with perfection.

Jo's decision
"Without going into the details, he was a very intense person, a very controlling person, very driven," Fonda said of the man she married. "Those are things that can make you very successful in business, but they can be very difficult in a personal relationship and they eventually led to problems between us that I couldn't deal with any longer. . .

"He didn't change. I changed. I decided that I was not going to live his life anymore. I decided and, so, he lost control over me," Fonda said.

Like her husband, Fonda, who has not worked the past three years, had been successful in business, as a financial manager and controller.
Abuse potential

"I'm a person who wants to make other people happy and do the right think and how I interacted on a personal level with my husband was a different life from how I behaved in public. In school and in business, I was a high achiever.

"In retrospect, they tell me that is very consistent with the model of an abused person because they do tend to excel in areas separate from their abusive partner. That is where they are free to be themselves," she said.

The threats from Louis were never conspicuous.

Seeking help
"I couldn't produce evidence of any physical harm ever having been done to me or any direct threat of physical harm, but I knew his personality and I knew how volatile he could be and I was literally scared for my life and my daughter's life," she said of the heightened anxiety that led her to seek Lauren's counsel that fourth week in August 2001.

"It was on a Thursday," Lauren said of their first meeting. "I think we were just 10 minutes into the conversation when I told her she was a victim of domestic violence."

And it was psychological and emotional abuse that Lauren saw.

"Jo was fighting this alone because there was no one who saw the physical signs. It doesn't leave bruises that might cause friends at work, for instance, to say, 'Are you OK? Are you safe?'"

The very next day, lawyer and client sought a protective order from Milford District Court Judge William R. Drescher. Police served the papers on Louis Joy that night, about 10 hours before he crashed the plane into his home.

Helping others
Over the past 15 months, Fonda has told her story at about a half-dozen training seminars where lawyers, police officers and those who work with abuse victims study the roots of domestic violence.

She began at the invitation of Henniker Police Chief Timothy Russell, who coordinates and teachers courses in domestic violence law at the police academy run by the New Hampshire Police Standards and Training Council.

Russell was in Minneapolis last week at a meeting of top officials of the International Association of Chiefs of Police. Their plan is to establish a training institute on domestic violence for police administrators.

A societal problem
"It has dawned on us that we have . . . to get the command structure to buy into this issue," Russell said. "Fifty percent of the homicides in the nation and in our state are domestic-violence related and if we can all pull in the same direction, maybe we can reduce the death and injury rate to women who are victims of this crime."

Of Fonda, Russell said, "she's bright, very articulate -- an awesome trainer."

She tells her story chronologically, he said, beginning back when she was in her teens.

"You see how, over time, the relationship became more controlling and how she slipped into that environment without realizing it."

The hidden abuse
The police chief said Fonda's story is "extremely worthwhile" for young police officers to hear because many times domestic violence is clearly evident in the physical scars it leaves.

"As heinous as those cases are, those are the easy investigations to do. The hard investigations are those, like Jo Fonda's, that involve emotional abuse where there is no clear and present evidence of abuse."

Russell said Fonda ends her presentation by telling what happened on Aug. 25, 2001, at 10 High Meadow Lane in Amherst.

"And when she does, you hear a collective gasp from the audience because that is not what they are expecting," Russell said.

The rebuilding process
Fonda sold the land at 10 High Meadow Lane. She and her daughter still reside in Amherst, in a big, new house.

"I had a sandcastle and somebody knocked it down. I didn't stop to think of what kind of sandcastle I really need. I just rebuilt one. . . . At that time I was just trying to get my life back to normal again. So, we have much more house than we need," she said.

Her daughter is 11 now.

"She is doing excellently in school. She was on the high honors list last semester. She is very active in a number of different sports. . . . She's just really grown into a very mature, self-confident young lady."

Time to heal
Fonda is 42 now. Her blonde hair is shoulder length, her blue-gray eyes solid. There's strength and gentleness in her words, a touch of gold at her neck and wrist, but nervousness in the hands she grips together as she speaks.

"I don't have lofty goals, in terms of achieving material things. I've never been that way myself and now, more than ever, I know the difference between what is important and what's not important," she said.

"I want to heal and move forward. My focus is on having a well adjusted, happy relationship with my daughter . . .

"She's a kid. That's what she should be doing now, having fun and not being influenced or scarred by her past in any way. She's super and I just want to continue to see her grow and mature and have a great life."
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I have no doubt that there was a shitty situation. As I read I waited for the other shoe to drop, but it never did. I couldn't figure out why this piece of sensationalism was dusted off. Then, buried in the middle (as it so often is) was the bit about International Association of Chiefs of Police.

Correct me if I'm wrong with my interpretation but, Chief Russell is calling for "awareness" of administrators and young patrolmen in the investigation and response to DV without evidence. Merely on ones say-so. And he had the paper, and origional reporter, dust off this piece where there is no "He said" as support.

And, of course, there was a sidebar titled "Help is available" listing contact info for The NH Coalition Against Domestic and Sexual Violence, an umbrella org.comprised of 14 independant programs.

In the face of bad statistics, exposed special interest manipulation, abusive and criminal actions by AGs and Asst. AGs, fear mongering lawers, alarmist political wanna-bes, I urge all to keep reading between the lines.

I also urge that the political motivations, and fund raising "tactics" of International Association of Chiefs of Police be scrutinized. I have only seen mostly political, and ZERO law enforcement, issues from them. A venue to law MAKING if you will. In My Humble Opinion their concerns involve more lieniency in arrests of statisticly- males 16-50, and the consequent "state control", once an ACCUSATION of any kind is on ones permanant record.

Now,.. I accept the fact that reporters desperately need readers, and editors desperately need to sell papers. I think the repeated association with the events of 09/11 after the fact was,... well,... We are NOT amused.

Bobby

"  This isn't about bikers, or whether we support them, this is about how Police agencies use 'strategies to undermine our rights' to further their own selfish interests, not necessarily the interests of the public or its saftey."

 Itīs hard to comment on the document, but the summary of contents alude to interesting reading. And to the contrary ConspiracyTheory, this is about bikers and yes we should support them. As I see it, police are acting as the agent of the Feminazi State; trying to control one of the few groups that offers hope to combating our ridiculous state of affairs. Just look at what the Hellīs Angels represent. They are enjoying a lifestyle that offers them a pleasurable existence as compared to the vast majority of men who have a lifestyle that offers women a pleasurable existence directly or indirectly as evidenced by Louis W. Joy III.

"  The house was big -- 5,800 square feet, four bedrooms, five baths, set on 11 acres, valued at $750,000 -- and it reflected Louis Joy's obsession with perfecttion"

 D.V. huh:

JUST WHO WAS ABUSING WHO HERE

 It might have been better if poor Louis would have hid away some money, bought a decent bike and have hit the road;  but years ago.Enuf said.
A different approach to different times; Independent

Everytime you feel trapped in a feminst dystopia, just repeat this mantra to yourself: "there are 3.1 billion women on earth"; SIGE

Kramette

Yeah...and have you ever noticed with these cunts (law enforcement) that every fucking misdemeanour you ever committed is kept on file, but not ONE of your good deeds is ever recorded?????

So if you have the misfortune to be fronting a court, all the fucking court is given is a list of all your 'crimes' from speeding tickets to scratching your balls in public, but the court never hears of how you spent most of your life being a good decent person with a few fuck ups along the way.

Fuck the system.

woofdang

Kramette, yes I know! This bothers me to no end! I stopped a girl from being raped in a closet at a party once when I was younger by 3 huge guys. I took a serious beating by them and their other black gang buddies and carry around some nasty head injuries and scares. I was beaten down with an iron bar. The girl refused to testify against them or make a statement and they got away totally free. (Later I learned she was also apparently dating one of them) However they and other people at the party told police in a report that I had attacked them first, which I did but guess what!? I almost got charged with assault! It was brought down to a misdemeanor though.

After this and several other bad experiences from women I'll never interfere with an assault or attack on a women again, unless I am absolutely sure of her innocence and character. I will just mind my own business and walk away. I'm sure soon there will be a law that incriminates you for not helping a woman if she is under some sort of attack though I bet! =\

- W

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