Anarcho-Psychism

[typhonblue]

I figure this no longer has anything to do with abortion so I've given it a new home. Be warned, what follows is some far out stuff.

Interesting post Typhon.  A couple of questions.  What is an "anarcho-psychist"?  (pronounced "a-narc'-o sigh'-kissed" intuitive federal agent?)

Hehe... too cute.

I like the term because I think it sounds cool, and sort of discordian-style pompous at the same time. To me it means someone who wants to remove government mandated punishment for criminal behavior/intent (except for the death penalty in extreme cases and property crime) and replace it with a methodology focused on (psychist) prevention.

I believe there is a reason why one person gets chosen over another when an aggressor chooses a victim. This choice reflects a subtle interplay of energies between aggressor and potential victim, prior to any action taking place. If we can isolate the reason why one person is made a victim and another passed over* we can create a method to inoculate people against victimization.

There a four distinct points during which a potential victim can avoid an aggressor:

1) Prior to any confrontation:

A Buddhist monk might walk unharmed through a city full of thieves and murderers simply because his instincts allow him to avoid them completely.

2) During emotional confrontation:

There seems to be two ways for a potential victim to avoid becoming a victim during the emotional confrontation, both involve appealing to the highest of human virtues: laziness and selfishness.

The first way is by making it apparent to the aggressor that he is going to have to exert more force upon his/her potential victim then s/he wants to. Another way of putting it is having the "you don't want to fuck with me" aura.  Gonzo might be an example of this.

The second way is the more difficult. The potential victim has to appeal to the aggressor's selfish instinct. Usually this is accomplished by high level energy workers via the use of unconditional love. An example of this is an energy worker who managed to get out of a spot where she had been grabbed by armed gang members after her car broke down in a slum in Mexico city. She flooded the gang leader with positive emotional energy and they ended up helping her fix her car (instead of stealing her money.)

3) During verbal confrontation:

If a victim looses during the emotional confrontation often the aggressor will skip right over this step and go straight to a physical attack. I believe if an aggressor opens their mouth any time prior to the use of physical force or threat of physical force, the likelihood that the potential victim will survive the encounter increases considerably. Usually the verbal confrontation happens because the emotional confrontation was inconclusive and the aggressor is unsure if s/he should proceed.

4) During physical confrontation prior to the aggressor achieving their goal:

I believe Nyet's experiences could be an example of this (if she doesn't mind me using her as an example.) She ended up in a physical confrontation with aggressors several times yet was able to win the upper hand, and stop them achieving their goal. Likewise the story posted a few weeks ago about the woman who was raped but managed to evade becoming a murder victim because she successfully navigated the moment her aggressor decided to kill her.

During each of these points of confrontation I believe it is an exchange of subtle energy that decides who becomes a victim of any particular aggressor. Our society has focused on preventing physical confrontation through self defense (when it focuses on prevention at all, which is rare) but by the time any particular aggressor gets to the point of physical confrontation any particular victim has missed two(possibly three) opportunities to avoiding conflict and failed at least one confrontation.

Focus on these missed opportunities and failed confrontations is crucial to finding out how to prevent victimization. However I believe there is incredible disincentive from TPB to doing so. Since women's violence usually operates on the level of the psychic and the verbal, there is the desire not to have conflicts involving those areas explored and understood. Plus our very concepts of crime and punishment encourage continuing the cycle of victimization and aggression by creating victims and aggressors.

Also interesting idea that women feed on the Chi of men.  Do you have some evidence for this or is it personal observation.

It's personal observation. I've been on almost every side of the energy vampire equation. I've been an energy vampire, been a victim of several, neutralized one or two, and watched the whole process as an observer. I'm sorry I can't offer more then my own experience. But here's a self-indulgent anecdote and a wacky theory anyway.

My wacky theory is that there are women alive and being born now who are able to take care of their own energy needs without resorting to psychic vampirism. The proportion of these women (lets call them S-types, because I love the letter S) is increasing as each generation is born. Since S-types don't need men's energy to the same degree, they also don't need to believe in the rhetoric and ideology that justifies women's exploitation and cruelty towards men. (It's hard to be compassionate towards something you have to exploit in order to survive.)

I think S-type men are also being born, most likely at a greater rate then S-type women. I believe these men are more far more sensitive to psychic exploitation then their fathers. Their negative reactions are considerably more acute. For their fathers the only outward sign of psychic exploitation might be a tendency to obesity, chronic tiredness and an early death, they suffer from extreme forms of mental illness (such as autism, depression, dementia), on-going bouts of illness severe enough to lead to hospitalization, drug abuse, etc. Because of these more extreme reactions they are also far less tolerant of psychic vampirism. (I believe the case I mentioned earlier(man eaten alive by wife) might be an extreme example of an S-type man married to a non-S-type woman.)

I think one of the main ways women take energy from men is through sex. Other societies as well historical ones often have/had beliefs about how vital energy flows from the man to the women during sexual intercourse.

Now here's the anecdote: My partner tends to zing around like a helium atom after we *ahem* nap together. I asked him if he was the same way with his ex-girlfriend** and he told me that he always fell asleep after he had sex with her. Now she was definitely a psychic leech, not an S-type at all.

Remember how women mock men for falling asleep after sex? And women want to stay up and discuss the relationship? Well the dynamic might actually be this: The woman has just sucked the man dry, and now she's charged up wants to top off her psychic feeding session with a little bit of emotional black mail... just to ring out every possible bit of psychic juice he has.

I know there will be some confusion about this since not many people know about subtle energies and those who do often don't have the same theoretical framework.

I think that differences in the theoretical framework are purely personal bias. (Although you're right they do exist.) Energy structures don't change even if you believe in fairies, Satan or zorastrianism.

I agree that most people find this a confusing topic. I rarely find anyone who's even open to discussing this kind of stuff on a non-energy worker board.

I'd be curious to hear more about this.  Frau confirms your theory btw.

What kind of energy work does Frau do? I'm afraid I've only just started being able to do anything remotely useful. It's been a long haul just getting to the point of calming inter turmoil. I guess that's part of the maturation process.

*Most people now a days like to think that this is a random event. But it isn't. Even the unlikeliest people have managed to avoid multiple possible points of victimization when the odds favor them being hit. The powers that be seem to have an invested interest in keeping people thinking that they are helpless in the face of random violence.
**Typical girlfriend huh?

[The Biscuit Queen]

I like the term because I think it sounds cool, and sort of discordian-style pompous at the same time.

So you made this up?

Interesting.

Wouldn't all this be another way of explaining what police already know as true but based on emotion and thought processes, not energy? My father was a cop, and his training told that victims who could emotionally engage their attackers would be more likely to survive because it took the criminal out of the reflex responses and into thinking mode.  If the criminal could empathize with you, then he or she would be less likely to be able to hurt you. If the criminal was in thinking mode, he was more likely to actually think things through.

I do the same thing with dogs. If they are in reaction mode (fear or agression), they are unable to think. But step them back with a distraction, like a command they know automatically, or food, and they can slow down to think. They are less likely to show aggression, and more likely to respond to the owner. Obviously you cannot appeal to the dog in the same way, but it is the same process.

I think a target can be found based on looking at human body language. I used to be able to get away with walking in the halls in high school during class by acting like I was going somewhere. You looked the teachers in the eye, said hello, shoulders squared. I also was able to blend in on the numerous vacations we took as a towney by behaving like a towney. Don't stare at the obvious attractions, looking bored at the area but interested in people, dressing like the towneys, not like tourists. I think that people wear most of what they think on their sleeves. If a woman is alone at night (which makes her higher on the target list automatically), and her eyes are darting around, her shoulders are hunched, and she is scurrying, obviously she is afraid, thus must have something to be afraid of (ie she cannot defend herself).   If the same woman walks with her shoulders high, looking at where she is going, walks with a long stride, and is not clutching her purse, then she has the appearance of not being afraid.This makes her a possible threat. If she has nothing to be afraid of, then maybe she has a way of defending herself.

Just as you have obviously put a lot of thought into the energy theory, I have put a lot of thought into reading body language. Both out of my job as a dog trainer and by humans and how they get information without speaking. I also have expirimented on how people perceive others, by dressing and acting different around the same groups of people (usually waiting around after school to pick up the kids.) I can get people to change their behavior based on how I behave. When I dress in old clothes, different people feel comfortable talking to me. If I behave more tomboyishly, men are more likely to talk to me, when I dress up and act more feminine women are more likely to let me join a conversation. It amazes me how people judge others on what their appearances are.

Dog training is about reading body language, and dogs communicate in extremely subtle ways that the lay person would misread as psychic. But if you know what to look for, it is all there.

Interesting theory you got there.

[The Gonzman]

The first way is by making it apparent to the aggressor that he is going to have to exert more force upon his/her potential victim then s/he wants to. Another way of putting it is having the "you don't want to fuck with me" aura.  Gonzo might be an example of this.

Heh.  You certainly got me pegged.

Back in the day, I went to a Black Sabbath Concert, and came out to find my car wouldn't run.  Having no money, I faced a five mile walk to where I could get crash space.  Trouble is, it went through an area of town reknowned for being a place white boys shouldn't be in even in the light of day.  Walking around it would have given me a ten mile walk.  So I gutted it up and went through it, just like I owned the place.

I passed a gang of black youths who in turn passed me by, and I heard one of them say as they retreated "Any white boy bad enough muthafucka to walk around here by hisself I don't wanna fuck with."

Hmmm.

I've also been told by people who share your theory that I'm a type who can feed such vampires negative energy that actually poisons them.  I dunno.  I know that I forgot all this for a time in my first marriage, but since I got my mojo back, such "psychic vampire" personality types give me a wide fucking berth.

[The Biscuit Queen]

Remember how women mock men for falling asleep after sex? And women want to stay up and discuss the relationship? Well the dynamic might actually be this: The woman has just sucked the man dry, and now she's charged up wants to top off her psychic feeding session with a little bit of emotional black mail... just to ring out every possible bit of psychic juice he has.

Funny, my husband never complains when I "suck him dry." Probably wished I was Vampiric more often.   :twisted:

Did it ever occur to you that maybe many men fall asleep because their exhausted. I mean, after several hours I am just as ready to pass out too.   Energy vampires seem like a complicated reason for a simple thing. Maybe your boyfriend's ex just had more stamina, and thus things lasted longer?  

Always look for the simplest, most obvious answer first. Likely that is the culprate.

[typhonblue]

Funny, my husband never complains when I "suck him dry." Probably wished I was Vampiric more often.   :twisted:

Okay. Well I think most guys are fairly innured to it and don't really notice. Or you're not doing it.

BTW, there are other ways to recieve energy besides sex. In fact sex may be a way that women set up conduits... then they can reduce sexual contact and still get energy via other means.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe many men fall asleep because their exhausted. I mean, after several hours I am just as ready to pass out too.   Energy vampires seem like a complicated reason for a simple thing. Maybe your boyfriend's ex just had more stamina, and thus things lasted longer?  

Well, it's a possibility, but it doesn't explain the increase in energy that I've observed. One time he got up, mopped the floors, baked a cake, cleaned the kitchen and vacuumed out the car...  

Plus, according to him, she was a dead lay and by the end of the (2-year) relationship she was refusing to have sex with him. Of course he could be lieing, but I doubt it. He's blunt and never lies for the benefit of others(some call him a jerk, but I find it refreshing.)

Always look for the simplest, most obvious answer first. Likely that is the culprate.

If there are X number of unexplained incidents that can be explained by X number of "simple, obvious" solutions, but there is another explaination that encompasses all X incidents and is only slightly more complicated then the "simple, obvious" solutions, then *that* is the one that Occam's razor would point to.

[typhonblue]

I like the term because I think it sounds cool, and sort of discordian-style pompous at the same time.

So you made this up?

Interesting.

Yep, cool huh?

It's a combination of anarchism and pan-psychist. And if it catches on it could be really fun.

Wouldn't all this be another way of explaining what police already know as true but based on emotion and thought processes, not energy?

Nope. Because the current theories don't take into account the first point of possible avoidance, prior to any contact, conflict or confrontation.

My father was a cop, and his training told that victims who could emotionally engage their attackers would be more likely to survive because it took the criminal out of the reflex responses and into thinking mode.  If the criminal could empathize with you, then he or she would be less likely to be able to hurt you. If the criminal was in thinking mode, he was more likely to actually think things through.

I probably should have said psychist conflict, although this stuff registers on an emotional level so emotional conflict is a somewhat accurate way of refering to it (and more understandable). I'll be the first to admit that the terms need to get more precise, but that isn't going to happen until enough people are born for which this stuff is as obvious as eye sight.

I think a target can be found based on looking at human body language.

This isn't a replacement of current ideas regarding this issue, just an extension of them.

Just as you have obviously put a lot of thought into the energy theory, I have put a lot of thought into reading body language.

I've just presented part of my theory on how energy conflicts come about and are resolved. I've also done energy work, experimented with giving energy to others and inanimate objects, as well as "harmonizing" my energy with animals and plants (my brother does this amazingly, he is able to pick up wild birds in his hands) as well as changing the chi of groups and institutions. This stuff is as real to me as any other sense that I have.

Reading body language doesn't quite cut it because I can sense energies without being in the same room as the person eminating them. In fact depending on my connection to the person I can do it regardless of distance.

The internet is interesting as it opens up psychic conduits with people all over the place. A particularly nasty energy worker can use this to all kinds of effect. After I did one of my trap tripping incidents I got tag teamed by a pair of moderators on an energy-worker list... managed to send them both packing, with help from my partner.

[Galt]

I'm not sure what to think here, Typhonblue.  When you first brought up the idea, I thought it was very interesting because I HAVE been in relationships with women that seemed to be very draining.  I guess I attributed it to the fact that I took care of myself, but I was constantly at her beck and call to help her, to answer questions or provide advice or a different viewpoint, to do jobs that she didn't know how to do (i.e. mostly computer, sometimes car) etc.  If I was tired for once, I got to hear that her old boyfriend always helped her and I'm just selfish (like ... if I just did a job for her and said I would do her next job tomorrow).  At least she didn't get into the "real man" thing.  

A friend of mine had it worse, his wife was constantly screwing things up, and not even at work because she didn't work.  She regularly got into car accidents, she didn't tell him about bills she incurred, she had collection agencies suddenly turning up about bills from the distant past (like a big one from some dentist) that he had to pay and on and on.

But I think it went beyond that, and that's why I started to think about your "energy vampire" concept.  Maybe the thing is that women like this have to have a lot of attention, self-confirmation and support.  And that's (according to them) the job of the man to continually provide.  I'm not sure that you will ever hear feminists talking about this in their calculation of who does what around the house.

But now I think you're getting too New Age for me.  Maybe you have to put your theory in more concrete terms.

[Galt]

Look at the motivation of young people to go to a bar or disco or hang-out: The men want to see if any new pink taco turns up, they want to drink, maybe play pool and talk to people.

I've seen a whole lot of young women (like in the teens to 30 crowd) who get dressed up and then seem to simply focus on getting attention from men.  Manipulating them to get a free drink, seeing how far they can take things and then go on to the next guy, playing two guys off against each other (hopefully there'll be a fight! but she will act concerned and caring afterwards ...) etc.  It's all designed to get attention from men in some form or another.

And then, if they get married, they will get societal pressure to not be a disco queen, so they only have one major source of male attention and confirmation (along with whatever else they can organize, depending on their fidelity): their husband.  Maybe this is the basis for the most common reason for divorce on the part of women: "We've grown apart" or "we aren't close anymore" or "he doesn't pay as much attention to me anymore".  All of that translated means that she expected the wooing phase to continue forever, and didn't attach the importance that she seemed to with regard to their common aims as a couple or the other things that SEEM to be important for a marriage (see the main reasons for divorce on the part of women above).

[typhonblue]

But I think it went beyond that, and that's why I started to think about your "energy vampire" concept.  Maybe the thing is that women like this have to have a lot of attention, self-confirmation and support.  And that's (according to them) the job of the man to continually provide.  I'm not sure that you will ever hear feminists talking about this in their calculation of who does what around the house.

But now I think you're getting too New Age for me.  Maybe you have to put your theory in more concrete terms.

Some of this stuff is going to be rather esoteric, I admit, and somewhat pointless for the average person(I'm including it because Dr. Evil asked.) It's sort of like being a mathematician, a portion of what you do is interesting and useful to people just because math is used in every day life but the theoretical stuff... the average person doesn't understand it (although they've been taught to trust it) and for the most part it's irrelevant.

More concrete terms... Hmm...

How about this? You say that providing confirmation, attention and support is draining(sometimes more draining then hard physical labor, at least in my exprience). But in terms of physical activity all it amounts to is talking. Talking doesn't expend a hell of a lot more calories then just sitting and doing nothing. So why the feeling of loosing larger-then-normal amounts of energy?

[Galt]

<<Talking doesn't expend a hell of a lot more calories then just sitting and doing nothing. So why the feeling of loosing larger-then-normal amounts of energy?>>

Good point.

As far as the comparison to esoteric math goes, if someone really, thoroughly, understands tensor analysis, for instance, and someone else really listens, some new point can be brought across.  The tensor R with little indices (which is purely mathematical ...) and the Riemann stuff has been successfully described with terms like a bowling ball on a trampoline mat, and marbles roll towards the bowling ball, not because the bowling ball attracts them, but because the fabric is warped (like the moon as a marble and the earth as a bowling ball).  As an example.  So you can picture it and get a rough idea of what the precise indices indicate.

On the other hand, there are thousands of people who claim to have a theory that is good and great, but it can't be explained.  I have also seen theories that can't really be proven or disproven, so who knows.  These are frequently based on the desire of the thinker to have a deep thought that will be acknowledged by people.  So they flood known scientists with this stuff.  Most of it is not motivated by a desire for truth, but instead a desire for ego gratification with something that can't be verified or established in any way.

Your comment about how talking can seem to take a lot of energy out of you - in my experience talking to certain people really is draining, and talking to other people is interesting - is getting closer to pinning something concrete down.  Maybe a good example is a "bore" at a party who wants to keep coming back to his achievements, and he or she constantly requires acknowledgment and recognition of those.  That can be draining, because you are drawn into the work of constantly affirming him/her - or just disappearing when you can.  It's not a mutual exchange, it's just a drawing of attention, recognition and acknowledgment.  A friend described an experience like that with a physician; he came on extremely heavy with that attribute and nothing else.  Same with the girl with the short skirt and heavy make-up, I guess you just have to swarm over her, even if you just don't care and you don't get anything out of it.

[Galt]

But anyway ... I've heard that Zen Buddhist monks in Japan have to do a certain amount of real work in the monastery, otherwise they get down into a way of thinking that is unreal.  I suppose the same applies to a student smoking marijuana and coming up with strange views of life, not that ... uh ... I knew anything about that back when I was a student.

Ultimately, the assertion that a theory can't be pulled down into concrete terms (I'm not even talking about commercial exploitation or even an immediate application) becomes suspect, EXCEPT, I guess, in the case of a structure that gets progressively built up by logic - and that has a reference to reality in the form of physics - like mathematics.  Otherwise, you have to ask WHY someone thinks that.  Admittedly, Riemann was some German guy with bizarre ideas with no reference to reality, and then Einstein and others came along and used his math.  But there are also a whole lot of cranks.

[activist]

Hey T-Blue,

Cool post. Just to add to your discussion of energy vampires.

I beleive that I actually met a real psychic vampire.  I truly felt an exiting or psychic energy around a cetain female in my last months at college.

She was energetically abusive.  Not only did she reek havoc on my internal energetics she completely played the opposite with the mind.

She gave all these bodily energy signals then ,I beleive intentionally,
completely gave a different verbal translation of her behavior to literally test the edges of my sanity and reality.

I beleive that she was a succubus. Her looks weren't outstanding nor were her actions necessarily appealing, but By her smile alone she destroyed mens ability to interpret who she really was.

I was at a party walking up the steps and I heard her say "I AM a vampire", To another guest. I am not sure if she knew I heard it or not,
but from then on I shunned her because she was intentionally abusing me psychically becuase she thought I was attracted to her.

The energetic abuse got so bad I finally just acted like she didn't exist to keep my sanity.

And on top of it all, she told my friends that my actions were abusive to set my friends against me. Unbeleivable. She could fool anyone, just about.

The only ones that knew her true game were the guys she hurt really bad.

I began to think she was genuinely demonic.
Really.

[Galt]

She may just have been testing her sexuality (once again ...).  Men can be stupid animals in that they think a woman wants to have sex so they play the game.  But some women don't, they just want the attention so they change the signals at a certain point.  Back and forth.  That's the game a certain type of woman plays with the only thing she has - sexual attraction.

Some men get this point, some men don't.

I would start getting bored with that, because it ultimately has nothing to do with your real worth, but they never seem to.  I guess when they get older and it no longer works, they turn to feminism.

[Galt]

If you think about it, women as a group can't really play games with anything BUT sex (or to a far lesser degree with their status as women, i.e. fraud cases in which they play the very plausible, upright woman - and then write bad checks, for instance, or get their hands on a man's assets).

Other than that, no one would really care if they are trying to play games or not.  But all of the complaints here are based on that: false accusations of rape, sexual harassment, marital fraud, using sex to get vacations paid for, almost everything that I have read here.  A whole lot of it is based on the bargaining chip of sex in some form or another.  Men have got to ... like ... wake up to that.  But the world keeps turning.

[typhonblue]

<<Talking doesn't expend a hell of a lot more calories then just sitting and doing nothing. So why the feeling of loosing larger-then-normal amounts of energy?>>

Good point.

As far as the comparison to esoteric math goes, if someone really, thoroughly, understands tensor analysis, for instance, and someone else really listens, some new point can be brought across.  The tensor R with little indices (which is purely mathematical ...) and the Riemann stuff has been successfully described with terms like a bowling ball on a trampoline mat, and marbles roll towards the bowling ball, not because the bowling ball attracts them, but because the fabric is warped (like the moon as a marble and the earth as a bowling ball).  As an example.  So you can picture it and get a rough idea of what the precise indices indicate.

On the other hand, there are thousands of people who claim to have a theory that is good and great, but it can't be explained.  I have also seen theories that can't really be proven or disproven, so who knows.  These are frequently based on the desire of the thinker to have a deep thought that will be acknowledged by people.  So they flood known scientists with this stuff.  Most of it is not motivated by a desire for truth, but instead a desire for ego gratification with something that can't be verified or established in any way.

Yes there are a lot of math cranks.

One of the reasons why I used math is because while most people can grasp the basics, and also some more advanced stuff using metaphors that reframe whats going on in three dimensional space, at some point, things are only understood by people who have a greater sensitivity and intuition regarding mathematical concepts, such as the behavior of a four (or more) dimensional object in three dimensional space. (Sorry about the emphasis on geometry.)

As for establishing and verifying... there have been a few inroads on examining the phenomena scientifically. Here's a link to the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab:

http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/

Plus there's been some research done by Dr. Rupert Sheldrake:

http://www.sheldrake.org/