Anarcho-Psychism

Started by typhonblue, Oct 24, 2004, 01:13 AM

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Galt

I've read some stuff by Rupert Sheldrake.  On the borderline, but he is (or was) a qualified scientist.  I'm not sure what I think about him, but I am fairly open to thinking about (plausible) new ideas.

As far as visualization of geometric dimensions, I'm not so sure about someone who can visualize the 10 or 11 dimensions of string theory or even the 5 of the Kaluza-Klein thing.  The world is certainly different than we can picture, and I think that's true based on physics.  But everyone (except a disco bimbo) can visualize 3 plus time moving forward.  Some more or less, for instance with regard to map-reading.

Galt

I guess, in the end analysis, I have had the experience of an energy vampire, so I'll have to think about it more.  But your original statement came out of nowhere and was pretty interesting.

typhonblue

Quote from: "Galt"
I've read some stuff by Rupert Sheldrake.  On the borderline, but he is (or was) a qualified scientist.  I'm not sure what I think about him, but I am fairly open to thinking about (plausible) new ideas.


I think he's on the borderline because his area of focus has new age appeal, which provides him a sounding board(thru new age publishers) for his more farfetched and abstract as well as less researched theories.

But his research seems sound to me, and has been replicated successfully by other labratories.

dr e

Typhon - Any theory or practice that tries to move people out of the victim stance sounds like a good thing to me.  Your theory would surely be hated by the feminists who work their best to keep women in the victim stance.  It is a trap in itself since anytime anyone identifies with the victim role they are automatically thrust into the never ending cycle of victim-perpetrator-rescuer.  In this cycle people simply rotate those roles repeatedly and the process becomes their life focus.  It's a real mess.

Our culture is at the infancy stage when it comes to recognizing subtle energy.  It's no wonder since most people have a tough time with the not so subtle.  

Frau and I have both been interested students in reading about the less than obvious energies and in developing our own awareness.  It is a fascinating study.  It sounds like you have been working at it also.
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Galt

Anyway - despite my adherence to school and skepticism - good topic, Typhonblue.  I've actually been thinking about that since you originally posted it.  I can't say that for the mass of things I read everyday.

The Gonzman

Well, I'm a skeptic too, but unlike the crackpot "pop-skeptics" I also like to allow that something might be true until disproven.

Unlike some of the cranks at the "Skeptical Inquirer" I took some advanced logic courses and learned that you can prove a negative, and a denial is likewise an assertion.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

LST

Quote from: "Galt"
I would start getting bored with that, because it ultimately has nothing to do with your real worth, but they never seem to.

Galt is bringing up a very good point here ! It seems that these women don't get tired of their games, and women that like to argue/fight a lot don't get tired of it either. For example think of a wife/girlfriend that nags her husband/boyfriend and blames him for everything and is catty and vindictive. What is the point of behaving that way ? Doesn't she want to have a nice time, especially if it is a husband... does she not want to have a happy peaceful family where she can feel at home ? Apparently she doesn't. I think that it is valid to make a conclusion that this is somehow fulfilling for her. Although i am not sure that they are draining energy that way... wouldn't being angry and fighting all the time waste energy instead of gaining it ? Do women gain energy from arguments and fights ? But nonetheless, they do seem to enjoy them...

Also look what it says here:
Quote from: "http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/2.html"

The data also display significant disparities between female and male operator performances, and consistent series position effects are observed in individual and collective results.

Hmmm... well i guess the disparity is in favour of female operators. If that is so then this just confirms thousands years old common folk knowledge that women are more "magical" than men. If women inherently have a more developed ability for energy manipulation than men, then do we have any hope ?
And it also explains why the gender interrelationship now is the way it is.
o pity for feminazis.

LST

Oooh it seems that it is actually the opposite:
Quote from: "http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/correlations.pdf"

Segregation of the total REG database described above into male and female operator
components reveals several striking disparities. As evident in Figure 4, although three of the
female operators have produced the largest individual z-scores, the overall correlations of mean
shifts with intention are much weaker for the females than for the males. In fact, while a
majority of the males succeed in both directions of effort, most of the females' low intention
results are opposite to intention. Specifically, some 66% of the male operators succeed in
separating their overall HI and LO scores in the intended direction, compared to only 34% of the
females. In other words, there is some indication that the total operator performance distribution
has three components: a) three outstanding female datasets; b) 38 female datasets indistinguishable
from a chance distribution; and c) 50 well-distributed male datasets compounding to
significant positive performance.

Hmmm well then i guess it doesn't explain it. :--)
Perhaps energy vampirism is not related to the ability to affect random generators ?

Ok well i am no energy worker or anything, so perhaps typhonblue could enlighten us here.
For example let's assume that all people have an energy manipulation ability = EMA. (Just an abbreviation that i made to make things easier)
Is there such a thing as "EMA strength level" ?
Does the EMA strength level depend on how much energy someone has ? (If someone has their energy drained, will that weaken their EMA ?)
Does draining energy from someone require effort ? Does it expend energy too ?
If that is so, then is it possible for a vampire to drain more energy from their victim than they spend for the draining process ? Or do they just recycle it ? And what is the point then ?
Does a person that is trying to drain energy from someone have to have a stronger EMA than their victim ?
I don't know anything about this stuff so sorry if my questions look stupid...
o pity for feminazis.

typhonblue

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Hmmm... well i guess the disparity is in favour of female operators. If that is so then this just confirms thousands years old common folk knowledge that women are more "magical" than men. If women inherently have a more developed ability for energy manipulation than men, then do we have any hope ?
And it also explains why the gender interrelationship now is the way it is.


Actually the disparity is in the favor of men.

LST

Yes, and i wrote about in the next post after that post...
Could you try to answer my questions now please ? :--<
Also if men do have a stronger EMA than women, then what is with all the folk beliefs then ?
For example in Russia (and Ukraine etc) there is a strong tradition of female witches/folk healers that do spells/curses/cures for people. And they have a tradition for passing it from mother to daughter... If men were naturally capable then women in these things, then why wouldn't it be reflected in the culture ? There are some male witches/healers too (i was taken to one when i was a little boy to cure my fear of dogs... and it worked :--o) but they are much more rare than female ones.
o pity for feminazis.

dr e

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Women don't seem to get tired of their games.


LST you are doing it again.  Do you not understand the concept here?  You just don't seem to get it.

E
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LST

I didn't say "women don't get tired of their games". The phrase "don't seem" means that it is reflecting my own opinion on the subject.
Also there are many more cases when you could apply your rule in the posts of other posters, but you don't...
o pity for feminazis.

dr e

LST - You need to take care of LST and let us worry about the board.  You have your hands full and are about to lose privileges here.  Keep it up and you are out for good.
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The Biscuit Queen

Women do not get tired from playing the nagging, put down games because it shifts the blame and guilt from themselves to someone else. If something happens, and it is her fault, she must deal with the emotions of self-loathing, guilt, insecurity, and failure. These tend to be pretty depressing emotions. But if she can shift blame to someone else, then she feels self confident, blameless, innocent, and rightious. These tend to be pretty uplifting emotions. If something happens and it is no ones fault, she will out of habit still blame someone else, to remove any doubt in her mind that she was the one to be blamed. I think women have a hard time not blaming someone. They want answers so they can discuss it in order to get through it, where men tend to just accept that things happen and move on, at least on the outside. This all is explained by emotions just as easily as 'energies'.

I would caution everyone here that blindly accepting this theory and openly supporting it is going to make you look like a fruit loop. Whether her theory has weight or not, and I tend to be very skeptical of these things,  the men's movement has strength in grounding itself in reality and facts.  Swinging way over into outer space is not going to make the movement credible, which at this point is one of the major battles.

I know some people here, like Gonzo, doesn't give a rats ass what people think. Good for him. I know that the only way this movement is going to get off the ground is through persuading people. As Proximo says in Gladiator, "Win the crowd, and you win Rome."     I have said this many times, on different boards, our behaviors are under scrutiny 24/7. The feminists will use anything they can to discredit us, and I am sure someone is having a grand laugh at this very thread right now.

Believe what you will, but remember they have openly said they were watching us. Is this what you want the feminists labeling us with next? 'Psycic vampires' seems almost hand picked to ridicule us.
he Biscuit Queen
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There are always two extremes....the truth lies in the middle.

Galt

By the way, the "energy" thing (in this respect) is clearly spelled out in the books of Carlos Castaneda.  I realize that they are also considered far out and have also been subject to a lot of (probably justified) criticism.

<<Believe what you will, but remember they have openly said they were watching us. Is this what you want the feminists labeling us with next? >>

Well, people have to be able to talk about things.  I've had the experience of being drained by certain people beyond the point of their making continual demands and nagging, so I'm trying to think about this concept.  Brainstorming and introducing new ideas can't be all that bad.  I'm not sure I care all that much about what feminists think of me if I want to give further thought to a non-conventional concept.

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