Man or Woman?

[typhonblue]

Poll just for the men, please.

A poster here mentioned a similar poll on the ifeminism board. I decided to correct the problem with the question and repost it here, just out of curiousity.

BTW, here's a link to a relevant article:

Men would rather be women

If I get a chance to go to a more female dominated board, I might post the same question to see their responces.

[LST]

Well i don't have a caring sharing soft centre. Praise the mother goddess ! :--)
I don't think that any man (besides the transsexuals) would in his right mind want to be born as a woman, even a male feminist.
I don't know what would the female poll reveal though.

[neoteny]

Research by Cosmopolitan? That's like cars by Yugoslavians...  :lol:

[Mr Benn]

No, the question on iFeminists wasn't "Would you like to have been born a man or a woman", the question was:

Poll for the men: Would you have preferred to have been aborted before you were born?

Just under a third (28%) said yes.

Apparently this question came to the woman's mind because they had previously been discussing whether male fetuses should be aborted rather than be brought into todays Matriarchy.

http://www.ifeminists.net/interaction/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1467&start=0

[Mr Benn]

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_174527.html

These surveys are complete bollocks. The aim of them is *NOT* to reveal any truth about society, the aim is to get the brand name (in this case Cosmopolitan magazine) mentioned as much as possible in the media. Its purely a public relations exercise. Of course, in this case another aim was to produce an article for the magazine that tells its female readership exactly what they want to hear.

They decide what they want the survery to show before they have even written the questions. Then the questions are written in such a way that they bias how people answer.

[neonsamurai]

The average modern man also prefers curvy Marilyn Monroe-style bodies to skinny women, but says looks are not as important as a sense of humour.

They said exactly the same in my girlfriend's Heat/Bleat/Sheet magazine about Renee Zewelleger, who gained weight for the Bridgette Jones film, and Ginger Spice's new shapely figure. Men find curvy women more attractive.

However, on the next bloody page there's an article called something like 'Renee's Super Diet: How you can lose 20lbs in two months'.  :?  :duh:

Of course next week they'll have something about 'My annorexic nightmare', saying how some poor woman turned inside out because of our society's pressure on women to be a size 8. No it's not 'society's' pressure, it's women's own pressure on themselves to be bloody stick insects. But the feminists love to blame this phenomenon on men who 'worship' supermodels and have unrealistically high standards that women have to live up to.

No wonder so many adverts are aimed at women! You can tell them that men prefer size 12 women, but they'll still starve themselves down to a size 8 in order to meet Mr Right, and pay a fortune to 'Weight Watchers' in the process!!!

Show your woman you care, take her to McDonalds.

[Mr Benn]

There are essentially two types of female model: the fashion model and the glamour model.

The fashion models appear on catwalks and women's magazines, and they are mainly looked at and 'consumed' by other females. It is these type of models that are stick thin.

The Glamour models are those who pose for men's magazines and 'girlie' calendars for men (although you don't see these so much any more). There are mainly looked at and 'consumed' by men. These type of models are not nearly so thin and are often curvy or have an hour-glass figure.

[D]

Remarkable.

Im in an advertising course right now and I sware to god my teacher brought in just such an add about weight.

Nonsense about fat women etc.... and the model image.

I'll tell you what's really happening.  Americans are getting fat.  They also want women to eat their products which will make them fat.

The skinny bitch image goes against their 'sales'.  It has nothing to do with people doing nice things for people by promoting fat women as the new beauty.  

I knew it was coming sooner or later.     :roll:

Believe nothing in the media lesson number one.

[Alpha Male]

There are essentially two types of female model: the fashion model and the glamour model.

The fashion models appear on catwalks and women's magazines, and they are mainly looked at and 'consumed' by other females. It is these type of models that are stick thin.

The Glamour models are those who pose for men's magazines and 'girlie' calendars for men (although you don't see these so much any more). There are mainly looked at and 'consumed' by men. These type of models are not nearly so thin and are often curvy or have an hour-glass figure.

As somebody who is into bodybuilding I would submit a third type. The fitness model. These are women who are lower body fat than either of those two you mention and, more often than not, well muscled in a healthy way. I find these women incredibly attractive. The two you mention above, according to my own tastes, sort of repulse me. The first is an emaciated bean pole with nothing, usually, but a pretty face. The glam models may have the curves but they have no definition. Air brushed fat for the most part.

Gimme a woman with curves in all the right places who can carry the keg from the car to the back patio.  :wink:

[Alpha Male]

But yeah, thinking about it more, they aren't really in the mainstream as much as the other two types.

Pity though.

If media is going to throw images at them to emulate, a combination of beauty and health would be so much better than those other two. My wife lifts with me. She is back down to her pre-children weight after having five children. She looks good enough that other women in the family feel the need to rip on her in other areas whenever they can.

I love it.

[typhonblue]

I know surveys are useless, although I did find the results of that cosmo survey interesting. It shouldn't be a good thing that almost half of the men surveyed would rather be a woman. Something is wrong with that.

As for transexuals, something like 98% of them are male-to-female... not only that but about 40% of male-to-female transexuals want to become lesbians. That's compared to 5% of female-to-male transexuals wanting to become gay.

[FP]

I know surveys are useless, although I did find the results of that cosmo survey interesting. It shouldn't be a good thing that almost half of the men surveyed would rather be a woman. Something is wrong with that.

I think it shows us a few things about our society today. Women are viewed as that they "have it easy", the media barrage of "grrl power", women can have more fun and less responsibility etc.. Awhile back, I read somewhere that a lot of the guys into cosplay (dressing up as anime toon characters) were dressing up as female characters to get away from the typical workaholic male life they lived everyday. Though that might have been in Japan if I think about it now but google "man faye" if you want to gouge your eyes out or die laughing.

[Sue]

(overpriced) fitness center.

Athletic is: any middle-aged woman who can stack an entire DUMP truck load of wood deposited upon the ground, within a period of less than two hours.   And still have time within that frame to drink a beer, run to the potty and smoke a cigarette or two.

By the way, stacking logs is not easy on the back of anyone (man or woman) over 45.

[Quasimodo]

The Cosmo survey was self-selected, as are all their surveys. All it really reveals is a pathology among men who read Cosmo. (Honestly, what kind of man regularly reads that crap?)

Most people, regardless how oppressed or desperate their lot, would not choose to be something other than they are. This goes for gender, race, sexual orientation, ethnicity, culture, etc.

[typhonblue]

Well... Just a note on the methodology of the survey. It probably wasn't done through a mail-in survey of Cosmo's readers.

Companies often contract telephone surveys out to telemarketing companies, who then conduct random phone calls. So a survey done by a department store, for instance, won't have been done on the customers using the department store but on a random selection of the general population.

The survey itself might have been designed to get a particular responce, but we don't know unless we have acess to the questions. Which makes a conclusion impossible.