Courts give violent Dads access to children

Started by PowerMan72, Nov 22, 2004, 05:34 PM

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/real_story/4032189.stm


Courts give violent Dads access to children

Violent fathers are being given access to their children because of the pressure Fathers 4 Justice is putting on the family courts, it is claimed.

Hilary Saunders, from Women's Aid, criticises the campaign group for their intimidatory tactics in BBC One's Real Story.

"I do think they have a considerable effect on court practice," she tells the programme's presenter, Fiona Bruce.

"We feel that the courts are now granting contact more and more frequently in cases where it is not safe to do so."

Death threat

The documentary also features an ex wife of an active Fathers 4 Justice member who says she lives in constant fear of her former husband.

The woman, too scared to be named, said: "He used to come home very drunk and make lots of threats right up to my face, including threats to my pets which resulted in the death of my dog.

"He threatened that he was actually going to kill me.

"There was lots of shoving, pushing over, sometimes smashing of the house, throwing things around.

"The worst thing of all was on many occasions my daughter was actually present and a few times she ran to me, screaming."

The father in question was granted supervised access to his daughter by the courts before, claims his ex wife, she had a chance to tell the courts about the domestic violence.

"It's been absolutely horrendous. It's been quite upsetting and very hard for me and in the beginning it was also very, very hard for my daughter."

Aggressive email

The man denies any violence and has never been convicted. But the programme reveals that women's and children's charities have complained of intimidation and threats from people claiming to represent Fathers 4 Justice.

Sandra Horley of Refuge, an organisation that helps battered women, says she received an email accusing her of "hate crime" after writing an article about violent fathers and contact arrangements.

"It's very aggressive and I just don't understand why they have taken this stance," she says.

"What we are saying is not so heinous, or reprehensible, we are only saying children should be safe."

"It is all well and good for Fathers 4 Justice to campaign for the rights of fathers, but what about the rights of children?"

A senior police officer also tells Real Story of his fears about the pressure group.

Assistant Chief Constable Jim Gamble of the National Crime Squad says: "They need to consider the vetting in their organisation. Certainly, if I was a member of Fathers 4 Justice, I would be looking at the important message that we are trying to deliver."

Matt O'Connor, the founder of Fathers 4 Justice, tells Fiona Bruce that he will not tolerate this kind of intimidation.

"We condemn all types of violence and we'd like to see more intelligent debate about family violence.

Membership criteria

"We can't undo what has happened to people in the past. We can't say all we are talking about is good, loving parents.

"What I am saying is that the vast majority of people campaigning within this organisation are good, loving parents.

"We are a cross-section of society and if you slice through the UK you are going to find teachers, barristers, doctors, good people, bad people."

Mr O'Connor added that Fathers 4 Justice operated very tough conditions of membership and that he would throw out anyone bringing the organisation into disrepute.
Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."

FEMINAZIHATEMARTYR

We should counter this phony propaganda by sending this article to the BBC and let the "Womens Aid" bullshitters stew over this link that Pernicious posted earlier;

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=6890412

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HOUSTON (Reuters) - A Texas woman who allegedly severed her 11-month-old daughter's arms and then called police to report the crime was charged with capital murder on Monday, authorities said.
Police in the Dallas suburb of Plano said Dena Schlosser, 35, sounded calm when she phoned the department and told officers what she had done.

Officers went to their apartment and found the baby bleeding from her torso, where her arms had been severed. She was taken to a nearby hospital, but died, Detective Bryan Wood said.

"Statements made by the mother led officers to believe she was responsible for the injuries to the child," Wood said.

The Dallas Morning News said Texas child welfare officials had investigated the family after the mother was accused of leaving the baby alone in the apartment a few days after her birth.

Postpartum depression was suspected at the time, the state agency said, but the case was closed after Schlosser agreed to psychiatric treatment.

Schlosser, who could face the death penalty if convicted, lived in the apartment with her husband and two other daughters, both of whom were away at school.

In another Texas case, Houston mother Andrea Yates was convicted of capital murder for drowning her five young children in the family tub in a bout of postpartum depression.

She is serving a life sentence and is receiving psychiatric care, but recently was treated in a hospital because she had stopped eating.
What good fortune for government that people do not think."
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"Where madness rules the absurd is not far away."

We must not make the mistake of thinking that all those who eat the bread of dictatorship are evil from the first; but they must necessarily become evil....The curse of a system of terror is that there is no turning back; neither in the large realm of policies nor the 'smaller' realm of everyday human relationships is it possible for men to retrace their steps."
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neonsamurai

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Violent fathers are being given access to their children because of the pressure Fathers 4 Justice is putting on the family courts, it is claimed.


They have examples of this? Surely if a father has been proved to be violent towards his children then he's committed a crime and will have a criminal record? If that's the case and men with a proven violent past have been allowed near their children then the BBC can name them right?

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The woman, too scared to be named, said: "He used to come home very drunk and make lots of threats right up to my face, including threats to my pets which resulted in the death of my dog.


I'm no expert on the law, but if this guy killed the woman's dog isn't that a crime? Surely, if this had really happened then the courts would have clamped down on this guy getting access to his daughter. Supervised access to his daughter that is.

Seems that the BBC is using feminist tactics of having eye witnesses or anonymous 'examples' of the evil that men do without actually making any of it tangible.

But Ghandi's saying comes to mind: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

Sounds like F4J are at stage 3.
Dr. Kathleen Dixon, the Director of Women's Studies: "We forbid any course that says we restrict free speech!"

Pernicious

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"There was lots of shoving, pushing over, sometimes smashing of the house, throwing things around.


Who was doing these things..

Remember if she is doing all these things you will still be arrested as a batterer.
 do what I need to do to protect my loved ones, friends, and family. This is what men do.

LSBeene

Ahhh, the anecdotal evidence theory.

If you can name 1-10 anecdotal episodes, and it matters not a whit if you have proof, and even if you use the anonymous anecdotal stories .... well then, THAT's proof that ALL men are therefore violent, potentially violent, or just possibly violent.

Before I started to read the BBC in relation to gender issues I never realized how BLATANTLY one sided they were.  What a bunch of "half-truth" agenda driven scumbags.

Hey, if it makes anyone feel any better: I just saw on the news that Dan Rather "resigned" ... and that "no pressure was on him to leave".  

Why is that relevent?  Because as blogs and the internet independent reporting grows and exposes the feminazi lies ... more and more of OUR stories will get out there.

Steven
'Watch our backs at home, we'll guard the wall over here. You can sleep safe tonight, we'll guard the door."

Isaiah 6:8
"Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"

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