Amber alert, kansas women cuts baby from womb to pass off as

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Gabriel

Killer and baby thief ghoul arrested

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One Charged With Killing Mom, Taking Baby

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By MARGARET STAFFORD, Associated Press Writer

MARYVILLE, Mo. - Authorities Friday arrested a woman they allege came to the home of an eight-months-pregnant woman -- purportedly to buy a dog -- then strangled her and cut the baby from her womb. Authorities found the abducted infant in good health, ending a day of frantic searching.

According to a criminal complaint, Lisa M. Montgomery admitted she strangled Bobbie Jo Stinnett and took her baby. The complaint also said Montgomery lied to her husband about giving birth, although U.S. Attorney Todd Graves declined to give a motive for the crime.

Stinnett's mother found the 23-year-old nearly dead Thursday in her northwest Missouri home. Paramedics tried to revive her, but she was pronounced dead at a hospital.

The baby was found Friday in an eastern Kansas home; a red Honda hatchback matching a description offered earlier by police was in the driveway.

Although DNA tests were pending to confirm the baby's identity, authorities called off the Amber Alert issued for the child.

"We're confident we have the little girl that was taken from Skidmore," Nodaway County Sheriff Ben Espey said during a news conference in Maryville. FBI (news - web sites) agent Rick Thornton said the father has been reunited with the baby.

Montgomery, 36, of Melvern, Kan., was charged with kidnapping resulting in death, Graves said.

Missouri State Highway Patrol Sgt. Sheldon Lyon said earlier in the day that authorities were questioning a man and a woman who were in the place where the baby was found. Graves said the investigation was ongoing but would not say if additional charges might be filed or if there was another suspect.

Graves said Montgomery contacted Stinnett through an online message board. Montgomery was seeking to buy a dog from Stinnett, who raised rat terriers, he said.

Espey said there was no indication of forced entry into Stinnett's small white home in this community of about 500, located north of St. Joseph in the extreme northwest corner of Missouri.

Espey said he believes Stinnett was strangled and resisted the attack.

"The autopsy is going to show us there was some blond hair probably found in her hands," the sheriff said.

A neighbor, Bill Dragoo, said Stinnett and her husband "didn't bother anybody. It blows my mind that this happened. She was such a shy person. They didn't deserve this."

Espey was frustrated that it took hours for a statewide Amber Alert to be issued. The mother was found around 3:30 p.m, and the Amber Alert didn't appear until nine hours later.

"We had a live baby, and I thought that should qualify as an Amber Alert," he said. "The information I was getting was that we didn't have enough information such as hair color, eye color, skin complexion, size and weight."

Stinnett, married for little more than a year and expecting her first child, worked at an engine factory in nearby Maryville. Her husband was at work at the time she was killed, authorities said.

Several pregnant women have been killed in recent years by attackers who then removed their fetuses, in some cases to pass the children off as their own.

In the most recent case, a 21-year-old woman was shot to death in Oklahoma in December 2003, allegedly by another woman who pretended the 6-month-old fetus was her child. The fetus died and prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.


Notice how the title doesn't say woman, but says one

Johnny

Michael Savage had a lot to say about this on his radio show today. What a sick world we live in.
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dr e

Good point Gabriel.  ''One" is very odd and suspect.

Also, notice that the dad is almost ignored.  They simply say that he was at work.  If this were the father who was killed by a man you better believe that the media would be playing up the mother as victim of this horrid crime.  He is not a "worthy victim" and is therefore ignored.

Sexism is so commonplace that very few people notice.
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

mr niceguy

Quote from: "Dr Evil"
If this were the father who was killed by a man you better believe that the media would be playing up the mother as victim of this horrid crime.  He is not a "worthy victim" and is therefore ignored.


Huh? If a father were murdered, the media would say that the mother was murdered? What do you base that on?

dr e

If the father and his child were the actual murder victims the media would portray the wife as the victim of the horrid crime.  Even though she was not the one who was murdered you would see all sorts of details about her life and her suffering etc etc.  In this article we simply see that the father was at work.  Can you imagine an article where it just says in a non chalant manner that oh, by the by, the mother was at work.  Yawn.  No way.
Contact dr e  Lifeboats for the ladies and children, icy waters for the men.  Women have rights and men have responsibilties.

mr niceguy

Quote from: "Dr Evil"
If the father and his child were the actual murder victims the media would portray the wife as the victim of the horrid crime.  Even though she was not the one who was murdered you would see all sorts of details about her life and her suffering etc etc.  In this article we simply see that the father was at work.  Can you imagine an article where it just says in a non chalant manner that oh, by the by, the mother was at work.  Yawn.  No way.


Um, yeah, I can imagine that. Easily --- assuming that the mother was, in fact, at work.

Anyway, as far as I know, a father can't carry a fetus. The fact that a fetus was carved out of a murder victim's belly is what makes this such a grotesque --- and, thus, publicity-worthy --- story. Also the fact that it's more unusual for a woman to kill another woman than it is for a man to kill another man.

Mr Benn

Obviously the Patriarchy forced her to do it. The poor, poor woman. Men, we should be ashamed, its all our fault.  :cry:
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mr niceguy

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Obviously the Patriarchy forced her to do it. The poor, poor woman. Men, we should be ashamed, its all our fault.  :cry:


I respectfully disagree. The fault is entirely hers (along with her accomplice(s) if she had any). She is either guilty by reason of insanity or possessed by a hideous combination of greed and evil.

By the way, Dr. Evil, there are two other mentions of the father in the story: "FBI ... agent Rick Thornton said the father has been reunited with the baby." and "A neighbor, Bill Dragoo, said Stinnett and her husband 'didn't bother anybody. It blows my mind that this happened. She was such a shy person. They didn't deserve this.'"

rantmeister

It's already started - the gender inequity in coverage. Just last week during the appeal filed on behalf of Andrea Yates, there was a highly sympathetic  recount of her crime (the drowning of her young sons) and how emotionally disturbed she had to be, and how she would suffer the rest of her life for her crime. They had violins playing in the background. Oh, yeah, her husband. Bummer for him too.

Just today, I saw some coverage of this latest example of psychotic female violence, and the female commentator was saying something like, "I know this crime seems unimaginable to us, but we have to understand that to Montgomery (the killer) this was a solution to a problem. She must have been very desperate." So, why do we have to understand if we already understand? It's quite simple. She's a fucking psycho. Just because she's female doesn't make her a benign psycho killer.

It's also unimaginable to me that we are supposed to summon up any sympathy for this Montgomery. It would be like saying, "We really have to understand how desperate Scott Peterson really was. He was trapped in a situation where he saw no other way out." Oh, and Mr. Stinnett? Why waste any sympathy on a man? They have no feelings to understand.

Gabriel

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Bill Dragoo, said Stinnett and her husband 'didn't bother anybody. It blows my mind that this happened. She was such a shy person. They didn't deserve this.'"


and her husband. They...

In a papers in NY, when a father/husband is killed, they always show pictures of the couple or the wife/mother crying.  Never just the man, he is, just a man - so the fact that he was murdered is not relevant. What is relevant is the impact this has on some woman.

Some network show was showing a video history of the US since the 60s. When they were covering the challenger explosion, they kept making a big deal about the two women, not the more than two men. Somehow, women dying in the same accident is more of a tradegy than the men dying.

With this murdered woman, the NY papers only showed pictures of her on the front and inside.

mr niceguy

All I can say is that I have seen plenty of examples of media focus on male victims of crime, as well as male loved ones of female victims, on my local TV news and elsewhere. Maybe you only remember the female relatives because they tend to be more emotional on camera than the males.

I remember that Christa McAuliffe (sp.?) dying in the Challenger explosion was a huge deal because she was a civilian, was a novice as an astronaut, and was to be the first teacher in space --- and millions of school kids were watching on TV as she met her fate. I can forgive the video producer for focussing on her.

mr niceguy

Quote from: "Gabriel"
In a papers in NY, when a father/husband is killed, they always show pictures of the couple or the wife/mother crying.  Never just the man, he is, just a man - so the fact that he was murdered is not relevant. What is relevant is the impact this has on some woman.


If no picture is available of him, should they show his dead body in the pictures?

Maybe in this case, the article should have just been about the husband and father, without mention of the fact that a woman was murdered and her fetus carved out of her.

Stallywood

Last night I was listening to the news, and there were I think four cases of women being cut open and the baby extracted.  Well three of these cases were committed by women. So the murders were discrbed as being done by just the generic "people".  But if the murders had been perpatrated by men, the sex of the murderer would not have been the word "people".  The words used would have been Monster, ect....
Stally
Gentleman is a man who consciously serves women. I prefer the golden rule.

Behind every great man, is a
parasite.

Women who say men won't commit, usually aren't worth committing to.

mr niceguy

The only newscasters I ever hear use the word "monster" in place of people are specialists in yellow journalism such as Sean Hannity or Bill O'Reilly, or their biased guests.

In my experience, the sex of the perpetrator is more likely to be highlighted if it is a female, especially for crimes where female perps are a rarity --- such as serial killers. In fact, Aileen Wuornos is so well known primarily because of her sex. I've been wanting to see the movie about her starring Charlize Theron. The title?: "Monster".

dr e

Niceguy - The general rule is that a man's actions and accomplisments or disasters are subjects in news articles (basically what he DOES) while women tend to get coverage about their feelings and emotions(Basically how they feel...though the coverage of what they DO is increasing).  Chomsky has noted this trend in other areas and developed an interesting theory of "worthy victims."  Those who are worthy get their life story told and excuses made.  Those who are not worthy were simply at work.  

There are precious few articles about men and the way they feel or about their emotional pain.  Just watch the reporting of murders or violent crimes and this trend is simple to spot.   Even when men are the "victims" they rarely get their personal stories told nor do the writers seek to have the readers gain more understanding of their situations.  When women are victims you get their life story, you hear from relatives etc etc.  They are what Chomsky would call worthy victims while men are not.
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