Lesbians sepratists raising sons; got a problem with that?

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Sir Jessy of Anti

I had to post this because it contains so many hilarious and trite sayings that really show how fucked up some feminists are.  For instance, they use the term "male-energized household' to refer to lesbian couples with son(s).  The child is a "miniature emissary from the patriarchy " (HAHAHA) and his room 'exudes maleness' (toxic apparently).

Too bloody much!

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FIRST-PERSON: Lesbians raising sons; got a problem with that?

Dec 30, 2004
By R. Albert Mohler Jr.
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (BP)--"Brian, a bright and personable third-grader, brought home from school a form that frustrated him: his family tree, complete with empty spaces for mother, father, and four spaces for grandparents. Brian's parents are a lesbian couple; his father is an unknown sperm donor. Brian's mothers worked to persuade their son that nothing was wrong with this family -- instead, something was wrong with the school form."

That story was told by Peggy F. Drexler, a research psychologist and advisory board member of the San Francisco Day School. It was published in the The San Francisco Chronicle last summer, and served notice that America is adopting "new family values."

In her article, Drexler announced that she had "set out to study a new breed of mothers: lesbian couples raising sons." As a researcher, Drexler decided to focus on this population, asking a series of critical questions. "Could boys prosper through the power of mothers alone? How would these boys develop a moral compass, a positive sense of themselves as male and confident independence without the presence of a father who knows best?"

Drexler was to publish her analysis in the journal Gender and Psychoanalysis, and she argued that "the sons of lesbian couples are thriving."

According to Drexler, "Boys raised in two-mother families are vibrant, courageous individuals, effectively constructing their sense of self amid ordinary family love and extraordinary social change. These boys are articulate and thoughtful and deeply aware of their own emotional lives -- including the pain that comes from discrimination against their families. They exhibit all the usual traits of manliness, including athletic interests and skills. Significantly, they also demonstrate the openness and ease with feelings usually attributed to women."

Drexler's rosy scenario, packaged as both academic research and a popular newspaper article, is evidence of efforts on the part of homosexual advocacy groups to push for the absolute normalization of homosexuality, homosexual "marriage," and homosexual-led families. Most Americans have only a minimal or abstract understanding of what this represents.

A decidedly non-abstract perspective comes in the form of "Lesbians Raising Sons," edited by Jess Wells and published by Alyson Books of Los Angeles. The book is not new, but it has found its way into many of the nation's leading bookstore chains and local stores. Anyone still in doubt about the scale of the social revolution we are now facing should take a quick look at this book and all will be explained.

In her introduction, Jess Wells explains that the whole issue of lesbians raising sons is due to a biological circumstance.

"A socially and biologically driven phenomenon is producing a disproportionate number of male children within the current lesbian baby boom," Wells writes. "Lesbians who choose to undergo donor insemination now have at least a 65 percent chance of bearing a son."

Wells went on to explain why this is so. She argues that male sperm weigh less than female sperm and therefore swim faster and are more likely to reach the egg ahead of sperm without a Y chromosome. The disproportionate number of boys born to lesbian mothers is thus, at least in part, an ironic slap in the face from an unforgiving biological fact.

Biology is one thing, parenting styles is another.

"We are parents unlike any others," Wells argues, "and this is most evident in the mothering of our sons. Lesbian households are raising a new generation of men who will be significantly different from their counterparts from patriarchal families. Lesbian parenting by and large incorporates strong feminist concepts. Patriarchal families teach girls what they cannot do and teach boys what they cannot feel. They traditionally teach boys to sublimate their emotions into only two areas: anger and aggression."

Lesbian mothers of sons, Wells asserts, will open up "more avenues for expression for our sons instead of limiting them to sports and sex." According to her utopian vision, lesbians will teach boys "to dance, sing, decorate, play music, sew, and do theater and imaginative dress-up as well as play football and baseball, surf, ski, and shoot hoops."

In the short span of this introductory essay, Wells presents lesbians mothering sons as revolutionaries ready to overthrow a patriarchal social order.

"The right wing reacts to lesbian mothers with a vengeance for several reasons," Wells laments. "We procreate without intercourse; we raise sons without men in the house; and we teach boys not to oppress women, to feel, and to live free of gender restrictions and homophobia. We are not raising the next generation of patriarchs, and the right wing is coming at us with the full force of its power."

"Lesbians Raising Sons" includes 36 additional chapters, all dealing with different dimensions of lesbian motherhood and sons. In her San Francisco Chronicle article, Peggy Drexler had argued that "boys have an innate ability to become men, a capacity that good parenting by males or females can nurture." Based on her "research," she asserted that boys "do not need a single male role model in-house to teach them how to hit a ball or become men."

Perhaps she should have read "Lesbians Raising Sons." If so, she would have encountered a very different line of argument and evidence.

In the book's first chapter, Sara Asch writes of her son, "who is apparently a girl and who, if he were old enough to read this, would be furious at me for using this male pronoun." She goes on to explain that the boy wears 11 braids decorated with 88 beads.

"Flowing tresses is the effect he seeks, for he has studied well the white girls with their long, straight hair," Asch writes. "He has watched the college girls who student-teach, the video mermaids, the female heroines of the silver screen. He knows how to toss his head just so, to tuck a lock behind his ear, to suck on a strand that reaches the mouth. And he covets the opportunity. His braids, done by his butchish mommy with loving care, some fear, and a deep commitment to his growing spirit, are his way into that tress experience."

So much for "all the usual traits of manliness."

Robin Morgan, writing of her own experience mothering a son, recalled the boy's "earliest bedtime stories were about strong female characters and gentle male characters." According to Morgan, she and her partner "made them up ourselves because there were almost no antisexist children's books then available." She also related that her son was very rarely disciplined or punished in any way. "Instead, we'd talk about it, not with rhetoric but with concrete examples of how speech and actions had consequences, how they hurt or heal people's feelings, bodies, lives." She does relate that her son, now grown, now says, "I almost longed to be simply forbidden something or punished for something, like other kids."

Morgan and her partner also worked to create a feminist environment in which their son would be raised.

"We tried to offer alternatives to the patriarchal 'norms,'" she writes. "We celebrated Wiccan holidays with much pomp, while giving a superficial nod to Christmas and Hanukkah. He was offered -- and played with -- dolls and tea sets as well as with fire trucks and tractors."

An even more extreme vision of lesbian motherhood and sons was related by Ruthann Robson as she explained the response of lesbian separatists to the birth of her son. Having been separatists themselves, they were puzzled by how they would deal with this baby boy. "What were two dykes going to do with this miniature emissary from the patriarchy who invaded our lives? One of us would be the one to give him a bath every night. The other one would be telling bedtime stories."

Robson defines lesbian separatism as "an ethical forward/moral/political/social/theoretical lifestyle in which lesbians devote their considerable energies, insofar as it is possible, exclusively to other lesbians or, in some cases, exclusively to other women."

Clearly, the birth of a boy ruins this women-only picture.

When Colby, Robson's son, was born, she even feared that her lesbian partner would leave her. "I kept thinking of all the concerts from which we'd be excluded, all the radical conferences at which we wouldn't be welcome, all the women's land on which we could never live."

What happened? Robson tells that their friends largely left them. "Inez said she could no longer come to meetings at our house because our rooms exuded maleness." Raquel, another friend, "told us she couldn't believe we simply didn't give up the 'male child' for adoption when 'the bourgeois' were starving for healthy white baby boys and it would be so easy for us to start over." Another lesbian friend showed up to give speeches "about lesbian strength being dissipated, about lesbian separatist ethics, about lesbian obligations to the future, about the inviolability of gender."

Finally, another lesbian, whose sexual advances Robson had rejected, "stood up at the Coconut Grove Lesbian Dance, Meeting, and Pot Luck and proposed a rule that would bar all 'lesbians in any way participating in male-energized households' from the group."

In her own chapter, Jess Wells insisted that she had done everything within her power to avoid giving birth to a son.

"How had this happened?" Wells asked. "I had paid to have the sperm sex-selected. The sperm had been made to swim for hours, and the fastest swimmers -- the 'male' sperm -- had been poured down the sink."

"I had been planning on a girl," Wells remembered. "It was essential that I have a girl." When she was told that her womb contained a boy, she was "profoundly disappointed." As an ardent opponent of "male privilege, patriarchy, and male culture," Wells didn't want anything to do with raising a boy.

Eventually, she was reconciled to the fact that her child was a boy and decided this could be a positive experience. "My son cannot take me away from the struggle for women's rights, nor can he force me to take an interest in anything that I don't deem interesting. He cannot be my oppressor because he is my child, and he cannot be a second chance to relive my life because he has his own life. He and I will explore each other's cultures, sharing what we can and respecting what we can't ... Both of us, respecting each other's sovereignty, can rejoice in our foreignness and celebrate our diversity."

The prophets of political correctness now tell us that diversity is the order of the day, and that "diverse forms of family" are to be greeted with enthusiasm. Those who insist that marriage is the union of a man and a woman and that parenthood should flow from that union are now dismissed as intolerant, closed-minded extremists.

Even in the face of such intimidation, a quick look at "Lesbians Raising" Sons should be sufficient to help the vast majority of Americans know who the real extremists are.
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dr e

Yeah, I have a problem with this.

From my experience, women in general and lesbians in particular don't have much knowledge about what it is to be a boy.  Just as men don't have much knowledge about what it is to be a girl.  Without a clue to the nature and preferences of boys they will undoubtedly make major mistakes in raising them.  I have seen it up close and it is not pretty.  Lesbians trying to mold the little boy into a nice little girl.  My heart goes out to those boys.  It's frightening.  

There was some research a while back where the experimentors put two little girls or two little boys in a small room and told them to talk about something "serious" until they returned to start the real experiment.  The cameras were running.  :mrgreen:  After the experimentor left the kids in the small room they taped what they would do.  What do you think they found?  Duh!  After the researcher left the little girls would face each other and talk about mommy hurting her finger or their siblings falling down or some such thing.  The boys OTOH as soon as the experimentor was out the door would laugh and tell him to forget it!  Then they would proceed to just fart around and put each other down etc until the experimentor got back.

So they took these tapes to teachers and had them evaluate the behaviors.  What do you think they found?  The female teachers said, "Oh those precious little girls, they are do adorable talking about serious things."  And about the boys they basically said "Those little brats!  They can't get away with that!"

The men teachers had a different take on things.  They took one look at the boys and laughed and said they could understand completely.  They understood the boys and thought they were funny.  They looked at the girls and said "What a bunch of suck ups!  That's sickening."

We all have a better understanding and empathy for a child of our own sex.  How could it be any other way?  Having a male and female parent gives you a fighting chance to have both sides represented.

The research is very clear.  Two parents, mom and dad, are the best place for children to be raised.  End of story.
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Johnny

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In her own chapter, Jess Wells insisted that she had done everything within her power to avoid giving birth to a son.

"How had this happened?" Wells asked. "I had paid to have the sperm sex-selected. The sperm had been made to swim for hours, and the fastest swimmers -- the 'male' sperm -- had been poured down the sink."

"I had been planning on a girl," Wells remembered. "It was essential that I have a girl." When she was told that her womb contained a boy, she was "profoundly disappointed." As an ardent opponent of "male privilege, patriarchy, and male culture," Wells didn't want anything to do with raising a boy.


um...........I'm speechless.  :shock:

If there was EVER a time for society to step in on behalf of a child it is this. Sadly, the majority are on the other side.
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FP

"We are parents unlike any others," Wells argues, "and this is most evident in the mothering of our sons. Lesbian households are raising a new generation of men who will be significantly different from their counterparts from patriarchal families. Lesbian parenting by and large incorporates strong feminist concepts."

No kidding? Really. Wow. I thought it was all about tolerance and understanding though?
:lol:

" Patriarchal families teach girls what they cannot do and teach boys what they cannot feel. They traditionally teach boys to sublimate their emotions into only two areas: anger and aggression."

The chick who said that needs to visit more families these days. My cousins weren't taught that crap.

Q

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"My son cannot take me away from the struggle for women's rights, nor can he force me to take an interest in anything that I don't deem interesting. He cannot be my oppressor because he is my child, and he cannot be a second chance to relive my life because he has his own life. He and I will explore each other's cultures, sharing what we can and respecting what we can't ... Both of us, respecting each other's sovereignty, can rejoice in our foreignness and celebrate our diversity."


Right....ok.   Lets translate:

"We belong to a different culture.  We can't fully interact with the child because it is not us.  He won;t be a threat because we will never teach him how be a threat.  We will never allow him that freedom of thought."
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Small side note.

Sewing isn't allways a "feminine task".  I learnt to sow after shredding combats on barbed wire on an exercise, and having to sew them up.

Sewing is a useful skill.  As is such domestic tasks as ironing, cleaning and the like - ask any soldier.

Drat - I forgot.  Sewing is a passive skill girls are forced to learn; it prevents them from doing sports and other things the evil men find threatening.

Must stick with PC line....must stick with PC line....

damnbiker

Yeah, boys historically were never taught to sew because it was something only for girls to do...oh except for every boy scout who had to sew on a merit badge.

I feel for these children, being raised by women who will at some level hate and resent them beacuse they are male.
It's not illegal to be a man...yet.

FEMINAZIHATEMARTYR

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I feel for these children, being raised by women who will at some level hate and resent them beacuse they are male


There needs to be some sort of legislation dealing with lesbian bigotry. In california Ive encountered so much derision from lesbians that I simply avoid them whenever possible. Weird that this culture tolerates so much hatred from one group while it so zealously punishes the hatred of another.
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"Where madness rules the absurd is not far away."

We must not make the mistake of thinking that all those who eat the bread of dictatorship are evil from the first; but they must necessarily become evil....The curse of a system of terror is that there is no turning back; neither in the large realm of policies nor the 'smaller' realm of everyday human relationships is it possible for men to retrace their steps."
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(1904-1974)

Peter

The article is really disturbing and it indicates that the situation  is worse than I could have imagined.

Instead of going into details i just sum up my overall feeling:

Most of the predjudices they told us to get rid of, (in school, the Politcal Correctoids, the Media, politicians) seem to get vindicated sooner or later.

And why not? The human brain is a great pattern recognition instrument which gathers information without necessarily understanding the details.

Such information is hard to prove correct, is valid  and useful (but often wrong in details) and may easily be dismissed as "prejudice", because it offends someone and verfication is hard.
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bluegrass

I've learned a lot by considering much of Typhon's insight.  Far from matriarchy instilling greater empathy and emotional availability in boys, I think that matriarchy maintains its power mainly by making women the primary source of emotional validation and intimacy in the matriarchal society.

They won't be teaching the boy to be more open emotionally as much as they'll be teaching him that emotional validation must be gotten from women.

In the truly patriarchal societies like Greece and Rome, men got very little emotional validation or intimacy from women -- if any at all.  They got it from other men and did truly see women as their property.  Christianity created an ongoing dynamic balance between the matriarchal and patriarchal aspects of Western culture which is today swinging more toward the matriarchal side.

If this truly were a patriarchal culture, male homosexuality would not only be accepted, it would be common and would be to some extent celebrated.  I think that's why there's much less of a negative reaction to the idea of lesbianism -- women are the source of emotional intimacy whereas men are not.
"To such females, womanhood is more sacrosanct by a thousand times than the Virgin Mary to popes--and motherhood, that degree raised to astronomic power. They have eaten the legend about themselves and believe it; they live it; they require fealty of us all." -- Philip Wylie, Generation of Vipers

CaptDMO

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They won't be teaching the boy to be more open emotionally as much as they'll be teaching him that emotional validation must be gotten from women.
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In My Humble Opinion-
As well as instilling an excesive addiction/dependance on it!  Indoctorination is the same no matter who dishes it up.

LSBeene

They don't even view him as a person .... just a raw imprintable "male" to be given their social theories so that he can better affirm women.

Man, that's completely unnurturing.

Color me "O-so-surprised".

Steven
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MacKenzie

What a "family" this may turn out to be.

The boy will be taught to hate himself for simply being born.

That's dangerous to any child.
FEMINISM IS A CULT THAT TRIES TO MAKE BOTH SEXES EQUAL BY FOCUSING SOLELY ON ONE OF THEM

Cordell Walker

ok I had to go into Lazarus mode, sorry,

WTF robin Morgan had a son????
there are times when a lesbian couple  might be the best option for  foster/adoption whatever(example, 10 year old boy, mom on dope dad in jail granparents dead, normal aunt who happens to be lesbian) but  to allow a boy into a household where the women feel" a little emissary from the patriarchy".....come on...thats just gross
"how can you kill women and children?"---private joker
"Easy, ya just dont lead em as much" ---Animal Mother

woof

Cracks me up how much hate the ones accusing everyone else of being hatefull are.

You can't replace dad.
This social experiment using children as guenia pigs will fail. It's only a matter of time before people discover this movement is more about the hatred of men rather than the love of children.
Even a whole village can't replace dad, children need both parents.

BRIAN

Yep this is an old one but a good one. Never forget the contempt lesbians hold for men, even their own children.
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