this is what we are up against

[dr e]

Here's a clip from Glenn Sacks site about his upcoming show.  This is the sort of thing we are  up against.  

http://www.glennsacks.com/

January 23, 2005
Is the Men's Movement Misogynistic?

According to Gender Studies professor Dr. Hugo Schwyzer, Ph.D., < [email protected] >  a member of the National Organization for Men Against Sexism, the emerging men's rights movement is a reactionary expression of deep-seated societal misogyny and homophobia.

According to Dr. Schwyzer, talk show host/columnist Glenn Sacks is part of the problem--a "purveyor of a victim mentality for men" who "masks men's own responsibility" for their problems and who "lashes out at those, such as feminists, who call men to accountability for their actions." Schwyzer also labels Sacks a "denier of male privilege," adding "just because a group doesn't feel privileged doesn't mean that they aren't."

[D]

Hopefully Glen Sacks will invite the Doctor Hugo Schwyzer onto his show for a spirited debate.

And on that note, I suggest for Doctor Evil that you go onto Glen Sacks show for an interview either via phone or in studio.  

Glen should be interviewing others and it's a good way to promote this site an other message sites.

The topic could be "Why are so many of these sites popping up?"  "What types of men are hosting them and what is their real objective."

Then Glen can list a dozen or more sites like this.  Glen should make more activists famous for the sake of fame.  

My input.  I hope it was constructive.

All one has to do is email Sacks with the idea.  Up for it, Evil?

[typhonblue]

Homophobic?

Interesting. This from the movement promoting rhetoric that is eroding away the very thing it is *supposedly* trying to protect.

The more the feminists shine a spotlight on the nonsense word "gay" the less actual male same-sex sexual behavior there is and the more women have a strangle-hold over the affections of men.

[dr e]

Dan - Doctor Hugo is the scheduled guest for the next show this sunday night.  It should be a doozy!

E

[napnip]

Well seeing as I have all this "male privilege" and power at my fingertips, I think I'll just get in touch with Selective Service and order them to destroy my registration which I completed when I was 18.

Oh yes, and I think I'll go hunt down the doctor that butchered my penis when I was a baby and force that person to reconstruct my foreskin.  After all, I have privilege and power, so making this person correct the butchery should be no problem, right?

And lets not forget all those DV shelters which deny access to men.  I guess I will have to use some of my incredible male privilege and power and force them to open their doors to men.  I mean, they can't refuse since they're weaklings with no power and I'm Mr. Macho oozing with oppressive testosterone.

And how could I possibly overlook prostate cancer?  I think I'll get in touch with all those politicians who pass laws which fund breast cancer research and order them to put more money into prostate cancer research!  How can they possibly refuse?  I have all this male power!  Everyone must bow to me and do as I say!

And while I'm at it, maybe I should make Kim Gandy of the N.O.W. cook my supper tonight!  I mean, since I have all the power, she can't say no, right?  Right?  I'm thinking lasagna tonight.

And speaking of Gandy and all those other rich feminists, I think I'll redistribute their wealth to me.  After all, we can't have women making more than men, can we?  And hey, since I have all the power and privilege, I'm in a position to do it, right?

Right?

[daksdaddy]

Didn't all of the historical patriarcical oppressors have wives and daughters?

Don't most current patriarcical oppressors have wives and daughters?

Most plantation slave owners had wives and daughters too. Didn't they?

HugoBoy. What books has this guy been reading?

"This is what we're up against" Indeed. It's nothing more than creative factual displacement, (LIES) supported by more lies.

[Sir Jessy of Anti]

Haha!  Good find Doctor.  Hugo is a very feminized male, who has admitted being afraid of men, and has admitted to always preferring hanging out in groups of women as they made him feel less 'intimidated' than groups of men.  

Therefore, by his own admission, he is suffering from 'male-phobia'.  He is also a women's studies professor, and one of the most puerile specimens I have come across to date.

He is also of dubious character, as he hangs around many teenage girl's blogs, and is to be found constantly relating his many stories of love and angst.  I don't know about you, but I find something odd about a mid thirties gender professor relating his love life to impressionable teenage girls, especially as he often acts as a feminist 'mentor' to these girls in a student/teacher type of way.

However, the men's movement holds out hope that he will one day be able to recover his testicles from the feminist administration's metaphorical purse, and will learn to accept his maleness without stigma.

[Mr Benn]

From his own site:

"About 1998, it finally hit home to me that much of my academic interest in women's studies was rooted in my own fear and dislike of my fellow men. I liked being in classrooms (as a student or as a professor) where I was often literally the only man in the room -- I felt safe. "

[Assault]

He is also of dubious character, as he hangs around many teenage girl's blogs, and is to be found constantly relating his many stories of love and angst.  I don't know about you, but I find something odd about a mid thirties gender professor relating his love life to impressionable teenage girls, especially as he often acts as a feminist 'mentor' to these girls in a student/teacher type of way.

What you describe sounds like a man about to dabble in pedophilia. This is what the predators at my work do. They befriend and hang out with teens in hopes of gaining thier trust. :shock:

[Mr Benn]

:evil:

[daksdaddy]

If the man had Children, That pic would be endearing.

As is It's "FUCKIN SCARY"

[Davie_boy]

Arguing for/against the Patriarchy seems to be similar to the idea of debating the existence of invisible unicorns or ghosts or even God for that matter. The burden of proof is upon the faithful.

Maureen Dowd may be right in this man's case - he just needs a mommy.

[dr e]

If anyone wants to offer suggestions for Glenn about possible questions or how to handle Dr Hugo on his show this sunday just post them on this thread and I will make sure Glenn sees them.

We might dig up that female privilege checklist that was posted here a while back?

E

[The Gonzman]

Oh, I am calling in.

Too good to resist.

[Roy]

I smell a real whack-job in this Dr. Hugo character.

On his web site, he describes himself this way --

The assorted musings of Hugo Schwyzer: a progressive, consistent-life ethic Anabaptist/Episcopalian Democrat (but with a sense of humor), a community college history and gender studies professor, an avid marathoner, aspiring ultra-runner, die-hard political junkie, and proud father of a small chinchilla...

The alleged documentation about this fellow's Internet penchant for chat rooms with teenaged girls needs to be sent to Glenn Sacks ASAP!

Here are a couple excerpts from Hugo's site, which can be linked from HisSide.com. (or see link at bottom of page)

Much of the misogyny of the men's rights movement is directed towards feminists.  Just as racists in the Old South divided blacks into "good negroes" and "uppity troublemakers", so misogynists create a dichotomy of "good women" (submissive, eager to please, able to "take a joke", uncritical of bad male behavior) and "feminazis" (women who demand accountability from men and who ask to be taken seriously as human beings.)  

To say one likes individual women, therefore, is no defense against the charge of misogyny.   Plenty of racists like individual members of other ethnic groups.  To be hostile to the movement that seeks to liberate women is enough, in my book, to merit the charge of misogyny.
Misogyny is also institutionalized in our society.  

Perhaps it is my Christian faith informing my feminism, but I am convinced that pornography is the representative art form of a woman-hating culture.  In porn, women exist to fulfill men's desires -- they have no real agency of their own.  To see anyone as existing only to serve you and to fulfill you is, feminists have argued, a practical form of hatred.

  Relatively few men who use porn are conscious of hating women.  But regular use of porn inevitably desensitizes the viewer to the humanity and dignity of all of the women with whom he interacts.  It defies all we know about human psychology to say that a fellow can go from masturbating to images on his TV or computer screen into interactions with real women without objectifiying them.

Let's be clear here.  Most folks, if they are really honest about it, go through periods of their lives where they experience (with varying degrees of intensity) authentic dislike for the other sex.  Many will go through periods where they also dislike their own.  

( Self-loathing among young women is famous -- if I had a dollar for every young woman I've worked with who's said "All my good friends are guys" or "Girls are too competitive, I don't like them" I'd have enough money to pay for a sweet honeymoon!)  

Most of us take our own personal negative experiences and, at least for a while, allow them to make us fundamentally suspicious of (and perhaps openly hostile to) the other sex.  This is one form of genuine misogyny -- or, yes, misandry.

We are eager to evade personal responsibility.  An anti-Semite can comfort herself by saying, "Oh, I don't hate Jews -- Hitler hated Jews.  I just think that they have too much influence in our culture."  A racist can say: "Oh, I don't agree with the Klan.  But if my daughter brought home a black man, well, I'd be pretty unhappy about that."  

Surely we'd all agree that these are examples of bigotry?  Similarly,  a man can say "I don't hate women.  I love women.  But I think that feminists are out to control and manipulate us."  
That's misogyny too...

......

While the men's rights movement sees organized feminism as its adversary, pro-feminist men see feminist women as our allies.  

Pro-feminist men don't ask women to do for us what we can do for ourselves (such as tell us how to feel, or motivate us to transform); nor are we interested in taking leadership roles in the women's movement.  Rather, we work in solidarity with each other, honoring our differences as well as our common goal.

I got involved in the men's movement out of a sense of frustration with the superficial nature of most of my relationships with men. (See my "popular posts" sidebar for earlier posts on men.)  I also came to the men's movement out of a sense of righteous pro-feminist anger.  

I'll be the first to admit, I didn't like other men when I was younger.  But doing men's work led me to love and cherish other men -- without becoming hostile towards women.

http://hugoboy.typepad.com/hugo_schwyzer/2005/01/defining_misogy.html