a recent expirience

Started by The Biscuit Queen, Feb 09, 2005, 12:22 PM

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The Biscuit Queen

I have been going to a ladies forum for the last month. Within two weeks I was made moderator of the controvery corner!

Most of these women are just everyday people, a few feminists, a few religious nuts, but most of them in the middle.

Well, Someone brought up the one in four myth. SO I started a thread, put out the data about how that came to be, including the reports, the methodology, and the manipulation of data.

I then made a statement which said while I understand how difficult the topic is, it must be discussed as funding is being misallocated and many women are not getting treatment because if it.

I have never had a thread that hijacked. They all had to tell me about their rapes, or their friends rapes, or their friends near rapes. I was called a woman hater, callous, cruel, and was told that they apologized on my behalf to all rape victims.

Good grief. No matter what I said they would not stay on topic. It became "it is good to have healing and closure" "It is good they can talk about it" "so what if it becomes subjective"  Not one person actually debated what I said.

ACK!

Women can be so damn emotional. God forbid they actually put aside their expirience and discuss something rationally.

I know know how frustrating it was when I used to do that. Put in my own personal expirience then expect everyone to tread lightly and agree.

BAH!

I will keep plugging away, I have gotten a few people to start thinking on things, but rape is like a red flag to a bull. I think I will just stay away from that topic  for a while. They sure know how to shut a person up.

Thanks for letting me vent.
he Biscuit Queen
www.thebiscuitqueen.blogspot.com

There are always two extremes....the truth lies in the middle.

Bender

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Women can be so damn emotional. God forbid they actually put aside their expirience and discuss something rationally.


Um, there is this "rule" on here that before you can use the word women you must precede it with the word some...
I know what you mean in the above but I certainly wouldn't want you to get banned for being a woman hater.
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<<<---Ya know ya want one.

Galt

Quote from: "Bender"
Um, there is this "rule" on here that before you can use the word women you must precede it with the word some...
I know what you mean in the above but I certainly wouldn't want you to get banned for being a woman hater.


LOL

I wouldn't have thought of that in 10,000 years, because it was (ostensibly) written by a woman.

That just shows how ingrained I am in the "Patriarchy" and chivalry.

It was extremely minor as a violation here (in my opinion), but it was very useful as a tip that gender makes a difference in perception.

The Biscuit Queen

Well, I did say "can be" not "are"

But point taken. You are right.

Many women can be so damn emotional.
he Biscuit Queen
www.thebiscuitqueen.blogspot.com

There are always two extremes....the truth lies in the middle.

Hachu

Well

Maatkare thinks

Rape is the ultimate offense of a man imposing his strength and sexual opinion on women.

Whom were told they were whores,sinful, mainuplative, and unclean

By the very fact of them being female

then for some time if they got raped told because they wanted it or because they blinked their eye too seductively, they caused the man to do it to them. A man can't help themself.

The very topic creates panic, hysteria, emotion, in which the word Rape has become embedded in the female psyche to invoke such feelings.

And for those that might have been raped, and\or know of someone

it can be a raw wound

The Gonzman

Quote from: "Hachu"
Well

Maatkare thinks

Rape is the ultimate offense of a man imposing his strength and sexual opinion on women.

Whom were told they were whores,sinful, mainuplative, and unclean

By the very fact of them being female

then for some time if they got raped told because they wanted it or because they blinked their eye too seductively, they caused the man to do it to them. A man can't help themself.

The very topic creates panic, hysteria, emotion, in which the word Rape has become embedded in the female psyche to invoke such feelings.

And for those that might have been raped, and\or know of someone

it can be a raw wound


And then there are those who knowingly create hysteria, dumb down the definition of rape, and wish to create a victim mentality in women, and use such things to squelch discussion.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

Hachu

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And then there are those who knowingly create hysteria, dumb down the definition of rape, and wish to create a victim mentality in women, and use such things to squelch discussion.


What is your definition of rape? Of Male, female, or otherwise?

And how do you dumb down it?

This one believes in the back of every woman's mind, at some point, in their lives, there is a question," what if I/my sister/daughter/mother was raped?" or maybe even, " Will I/my sister/daughter/mother be raped?"

and is sure it existed

before the insertion of radical feminism

which only took what was there, and used it to further it's agenda

explain what you mean

:?:

Captain Stubing

Hachu, PLEASE! Give us a break! Gonzokid is 100% correct. The definition of rape has been dumbed down. For example, it is considered rape in certain jurisdictions if you start having intercourse but then she SILENTLY wants the sex to stop. The problem is that she never told the guy with WORDS or SYMBOLS (like a kick to the balls) that she does not want to have sex. See, we intellectually inclined tend to see both sides and justice for all parties involved. If you cannot communicate to a man that you don't want the sex, what right do you have to call it rape????? Yet this bullshit happens way more than most are willing to admit. Also, the definition of rape has now been changed to include instances when the women regrets the sex AFTER THE FACT and accuses the poor guy of rape.

Certainly, plenty of women (and men) are raped. I feel for them. I support castration for TRUE rapists. But our society is out of control with these false accusations. PERIOD!!! I also don't agree that if a woman is mildly drunk then the man is guilty of rape. It is one thing to have sex with a limp, passed-out woman and quite another to have sex with a mildly-drunk female who comes onto you. Where is the female's responsibility? If she is too drunk to give consent, THEN HE IS TOO DRUNK TO HAVE INTENT!!!!! That is common sense in its purest form, unless you are pretending to be equal but in reality only taking the advantages of equality but leaving the disadvantages for men.

Captain Stubing

I forgot to add a couple things. I cannot state clearly enough that I respect and wish safety for everybody's sister, mother, daughter, etc, etc, etc. But I also wish safety for everybody's son, brother, and father. Men aren't very safe today with so many women lying about rapes, DV incidents, and sexual harassment charges. I am not saying that many women aren't subjected to terrible things by men. I am simply saying that many men are also subjected to terrible things by women.

I can understand one's empathy for females terrified of being raped. But I cannot understand ignorance in comprehending how the definition of rape has been perverted. Worse, there is hardly any proof required to convict. Many women lie about being raped to attain revenge against a guy (for some imagined or trivial slight), or they lie because they want attention, or they lie because they are caught cheating and cannot very well admit that the sex was consensual. Add to that juries that don't demand more proof than merely one's word against another's word----and you have convictions for rape that never occurred.0

Again, for those who troll this site and are intellectually challenged, I abhor rape and support draconian punishments for rapists. But I also support the same draconian punishment for anybody caught falsely accusing another of rape. I have read over and over again and been told verbally as well, that NO women would lie about being raped. That is TOTAL HORSESHIT. No normal women would lie about rape. But these false accusers are mentally ill, not normal, and they do lie about rape.

Hachu

Quote from: "Captain Stubing"
Hachu, PLEASE! Give us a break! Gonzokid is 100% correct. The definition of rape has been dumbed down. For example, it is considered rape in certain jurisdictions if you start having intercourse but then she SILENTLY wants the sex to stop. The problem is that she never told the guy with WORDS or SYMBOLS (like a kick to the balls) that she does not want to have sex. See, we intellectually inclined tend to see both sides and justice for all parties involved. If you cannot communicate to a man that you don't want the sex, what right do you have to call it rape????? Yet this bullshit happens way more than most are willing to admit. Also, the definition of rape has now been changed to include instances when the women regrets the sex AFTER THE FACT and accuses the poor guy of rape.

Certainly, plenty of women (and men) are raped. I feel for them. I support castration for TRUE rapists. But our society is out of control with these false accusations. PERIOD!!! I also don't agree that if a woman is mildly drunk then the man is guilty of rape. It is one thing to have sex with a limp, passed-out woman and quite another to have sex with a mildly-drunk female who comes onto you. Where is the female's responsibility? If she is too drunk to give consent, THEN HE IS TOO DRUNK TO HAVE INTENT!!!!! That is common sense in its purest form, unless you are pretending to be equal but in reality only taking the advantages of equality but leaving the disadvantages for men.


I see no dumbing down of the definition of rape, only the abuse of such.

The whole, " No, yes, NO!, yes, no yes oh yes, no no.....he raped me, I said no." No means No thing.

Again, Maatkare doesn't believe its been dumbed down, as in definition, but abused.

once again will ask, explain. Show me instances where the definition has become such as you said.

Maatkare really doesn't know

as she is not a male

and has never been accused, or has accused, of rape

But to make the point,


That is why she thinks above said posters reacted to a thread containing an issue of Rape/Rapes, as its subject[/u]

kal147

Hachu, I'll let others here cite instances that serve to demonstrate that the definition of rape has been so watered down as to be an amorphous concept.

However, on another related note -- accusations of rape have been shown to include huge numbers of false allegations.

According to a nine-year study conducted by former Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin, in over 40 percent of the cases reviewed, the complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred (Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 23, No. 1, 1994). Kanin also studied rape allegations in two large Midwestern universities and found that 50 percent of the allegations were recanted by the accuser.

Kanin found that most of the false accusers were motivated by a need for an alibi or a desire for revenge. Kanin was once well known and lauded by the feminist movement for his groundbreaking research on male sexual aggression. His studies on false rape accusations, however, received very little attention.

Kanin's findings are hardly unique. In 1985 the Air Force conducted a study of 556 rape accusations. Over one quarter of the accusers admitted, either just before they took a lie detector test of after they had failed it, that no rape occurred. A further investigation by independent reviewers found that 60 percent of the original rape allegations were false.

Kamin's study http://www.menweb.org/throop/falsereport/kanin.html
(revealing 41% of rape allegations examined in his study to be fraudulent)  is chilling and compelling. The U.S. Air Force study which found that 60% of the rape allegations to be false --not unfounded -- but false! ... is even more disturbing.

This study was conducted and overseen by Dr. Charles P McDowell, Ph.D., M.P.A., M.L.S., Supervisory Special Agent, U.S. Air Force, Office of Special Investigations; and documented here:

"False Allegations," Forensic Science Digest, vol. 11, no. 4, December 1985, p.64. The Digest is a publication of the U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations, Washington, D.C.

More research is needed in this area, however, the only thing we know for sure is that false allegations are not a rarity.

This topic is covered in Warren Farrell's book, The Myth of Male Power, pp. 309-343.

Captain Stubing

Hachu, I don't mean any disrespect to you personally with my comments. Sometimes, I write quickly and my comments may partially be ambiguous. Let me try to explain what I mean by the rape definition being dumbed down.

To me, rape is when you force somebody to have sex with you. Period! I will add to my definition the instances where somebody has sex with another person who is passed out or incapable of saying NO!

Hachu, I don't have the time to print the various state codes. Even if I did, what will it accomplish? You aren't powerful enough to change the injustices where a man can be convicted of rape even though he never used force or threat of force.

There are thousands of events that I am aware of in the past decade or so where men were accused of rape (and many convicted) even though the man used no force, didn't threaten use of force, and didn't shag a comatose body. Yet he was convicted of rape.

In some instances they have tried to call it rape where a man persistently asked for sex and the woman finally gave in to shut him up. Guess what? That is not rape. If you don't want to have sex, say NO! Then leave. If it is your place, tell him to leave. It is also not rape if the man manipulates the woman to have sex by cutting back on her allowance. She doesn't have to have sex. She can pay her own car insurance. But she has sex with him because she knows he'll stop buying her everything. That is not rape but these feminazi pigs have successfully termed it rape before. They call it coercion.

I see some of your points but others I don't see. The bottom line is that there are double standards. Women can do what they want no matter how destructive and hurtful it is to men, but if men do the same types of things then it is considered evil and immoral. Take for example this coercion or manipulation. Most women excel at manipulating men, although it is only the dumb men who are manipulated after a few encounters with somebody who professes to love you while banging your best friend and scheming to rob you of all your hard-earned money.

Rape is a despicable crime but even more despicable is trying to ruin an innocent man's life with a false rape accusation.

Steve

Kal147,

Don't forget, too, that 1 in 4 college women is raped, right?  Didn't some goofy academic say that some years ago?

kal147

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Kal147,

Don't forget, too, that 1 in 4 college women is raped, right? Didn't some goofy academic say that some years ago?


Actually Steve, a scholar ... I believe his name is Fred Reed once wrote that he knew feminists who can quote statistics that 7 out of every three women are raped every minute and a half.

BTW, what's with all your posts lately ... spamming the joint?

Hachu

The problem here is

this is a result of backlash, created by men, law, and other women,

from  before not believing, championing, or blaming

a woman that said she was raped

unless she was lilly white, and the accused had a black face

that was a cause for action, alright!

The abuse of the word Rape, and the laws affecting such, can only  be changed by men.

women, as a whole aren't capable, because there are too many places on this damned earth

where woman/infant/children/teens/adults are being damaged
(which you can compare to your child support woes all you want, but I'm not having it)

for the simple fact of them being female

And that can cloud our judgement, when it comes to issues creating fairness for men.

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