"Fascism Anyone?"

Started by daksdaddy, Feb 11, 2005, 01:23 PM

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1.)  Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2.)  Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3.)  Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
  The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.


4.)  Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.


5.)  Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.


6.)  Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7.)  Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses

8.)  Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9.)  Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10.)  Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11.)  Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

12.)  Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations

13.)  Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14.  Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm
t is perhaps a terrible thing to say, but "rights and freedoms we are not willing to fight for are rights and freedoms we don't deserve."

Assault

Blah, blah blah. I think Bush has done a wonderful job and has more leadership and balls than any leader in recent memory.

He certainly makes our Canadian (rulers?) look look like the thieving communists they are.
Feminism is the product of female selfishness, compounded by male chivalry.

- Peter Zohrab -

daksdaddy

Dood, Bush is just the president. Eventually he'll be gone and replaced.

AmeriKa will continue to exist
t is perhaps a terrible thing to say, but "rights and freedoms we are not willing to fight for are rights and freedoms we don't deserve."

Assault

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Dood, Bush is just the president. Eventually he'll be gone and replaced.

AmeriKa will continue to exist


I certainly realize that my friends the US will continue to exist and for that I think all Canadians should be eternally grateful. But Canadians act like a spoiled child who throws tantrums and insults his mommy, but knows when he gets scared and things are out of contrrol, Mommy (The US) will be there to help him so he can continue in his delusional worldview.

I truly believe that Bush will be seen as one of the great presidents one day. A  bringer of peace and freedom to unfortunate parts of the world. 8)
Feminism is the product of female selfishness, compounded by male chivalry.

- Peter Zohrab -

contrarymary

I'm definitely staying out of this one.   :wink:
quot;I can resist anything but temptation."

 Oscar Wilde

daksdaddy

Just out of curiosity Assault,  Do you personally condone governmental intrusion into peoples lives? Particularly on the scale we as "north Americans" currently endure.

As a side-note, Where do you think the "Duluth model" comes from?
t is perhaps a terrible thing to say, but "rights and freedoms we are not willing to fight for are rights and freedoms we don't deserve."

FEMINAZIHATEMARTYR

Its no great mystery that the republican party has been dominated by right wing extremism from time to time but the great irony is that the Femocrats are totally marxist and are not a viable alternative. Had Kerry won the election, men in the US would have had the final nail driven into our coffins with no hope of escape. At least now theres a challenge to the New Thought Police system.
What good fortune for government that people do not think."
                         Adolph Hitler

"Where madness rules the absurd is not far away."

We must not make the mistake of thinking that all those who eat the bread of dictatorship are evil from the first; but they must necessarily become evil....The curse of a system of terror is that there is no turning back; neither in the large realm of policies nor the 'smaller' realm of everyday human relationships is it possible for men to retrace their steps."
- Dr. Hans Bernd Gisevius
(1904-1974)

bluegrass

To me the scary thing is not conservatives or liberals alone, but conservatives and liberals together.

It's uncanny how right on Orwell was with "1984."  If you look at that strory it was really about the collusion of liberal and conservative philosophies that in the end created a new class status quo that was wholly oppressive.

And he was pretty clear about it too -- the militarism and nationalism on one side and the socialism and feminism (anti-sex league) on the other.  I've been thinking I should read that book again sometime soon.

Check it out:  neither side nowadays is a particular champion of civil or individual rights in general.  They each have their accompanying niche for destruction and preservation.  They just take turns in power chipping away at civil rights that never quite bounce back when they're done.
"To such females, womanhood is more sacrosanct by a thousand times than the Virgin Mary to popes--and motherhood, that degree raised to astronomic power. They have eaten the legend about themselves and believe it; they live it; they require fealty of us all." -- Philip Wylie, Generation of Vipers

Assault

Quote from: "daksdaddy"
Just out of curiosity Assault,  Do you personally condone governmental intrusion into peoples lives? Particularly on the scale we as "north Americans" currently endure.

As a side-note, Where do you think the "Duluth model" comes from?


Actually not at ALL. That means no feminism, racial quotas, discrimination lawsuits, etc. I'm a STRONG proponent of free speech. If some asshole wants to say Hitler was right, then I believe he has the right to say it. I also have to right to be disgusted and voice my opossing opinion. I think I should have the right to say racial quotas are discriminatory and predjudiced and only hurt the very people they are intended to help. But saying these things in our PC world (particularly Canuckistan) brings out the thought police and the supposedly tolerant Liberals who will shout down any dissent with whatever force is necessary.

I don't think the government should be able to tell anyone how to privately or publicly act or think. People should be free to choose thier own destiny.

I think the Duluth modell comes from Liberal feminists and chivalristic Conservatives. Both "sides" are equally guilty of perpetuating the sham called feminism.
Feminism is the product of female selfishness, compounded by male chivalry.

- Peter Zohrab -

napnip

Quote from: "daksdaddy"
9.)  Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.



Which just goes to prove that Fascism (i.e. so-called "right-wing extremism") is certainly not about the free market.  After all, when government and business go hand-in-hand, the market isn't free at all.  Both the Left and the so-called "Right" have one thing in common:  A Kantian belief that government must inject itself into the market for some "greater good".

Get the government out of the market.
i] We drank our toast to innocence,
We drank our toast to now.
We tried to reach beyond the emptiness,
But neither one knew how. [/i]

daksdaddy

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Get the government out of the market.


Hear, hear...

outta da bedrooms too
t is perhaps a terrible thing to say, but "rights and freedoms we are not willing to fight for are rights and freedoms we don't deserve."

Asian Lover

Oh, Bite me, daksdaddy.

I don't want to hear shit from some dickhead in a feminist police state.

What exactly does Canada contribute to the world, anyway?  Its nothing but a parasite in America's ass.
 toast by expats in Asia:  "Here's to white women."   Followed by guffaws and another round of drinks.

CaptDMO

*sigh*  Incohereant raving to follow

Can't we all just get along?

There is no doubt in my mind that  the images and "list of evils"of facsism are worthy of the essay,rebuttal, and philosophical debate that they have been afforded over the last .......say......3000 years or so. Who, exactly, is currently assigning this conflagrant  label of convenience.

Too many truisms for these evils to be assigned to just fascism though, the terms are easily renamed to reflect on socialism,  monarchy or feminism. You call it social reform, I call it idealistic utopian communism/slavery.

Even after  the round table concept was established rightiousness became an issue of recognition and influence to see who sat nearer to the king.
Politics become a mere matter of "Leggo my Eggo" and the only definitive resolution is "big dog gets the bone". Of course, the big dog gets old ,always has to watch his back, and there's ALWAYS a new dog in the pack.

There was a time when the desert people were of little consequence to the majority of civilization.Then came trade, (gasp) oil, and the taste for world influence.-so be  it.

In case no one is watching, the issue now is  quietly turning to water. On this- I'd certainly chose to live on the Canadian front. If anyone thinks people should willingly share finite resources with all others in the name of decency I present this microcosm of society- throw a large vial of crack onto the floor of a crackhouse and see what happens. This example is merely parable for almost every situation where the human element becomes involved.  

Are not economic/"legal"/mercenary/incarceration shackles "Facist" no matter who employs them or however they're labled?

Are not "rights" taken and defended by force the only undisputable ones?


So....what to do?

The Golden Rule proves idealistic (yet ultimately fails) when two people are involved. The variation "He who has the Gold makes the rules" is understood by most.

Welcome to the human race. Please take a number.

daksdaddy

Quote from: "Asian Lover"
What exactly does Canada contribute to the world, anyway? Its nothing but a parasite in America's ass.


And your an Ex-Pat because??????


WTF do you know about kanada anyway?
t is perhaps a terrible thing to say, but "rights and freedoms we are not willing to fight for are rights and freedoms we don't deserve."

daksdaddy

Quote from: "Asian Lover"
I don't want to hear shit from some dickhead in a feminist police state.


Its nice to know that the rules here apply to all equally.

Quote from: "Sir Jessy of Anti"
2. Personal attacks are not allowed.


http://standyourground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3428
t is perhaps a terrible thing to say, but "rights and freedoms we are not willing to fight for are rights and freedoms we don't deserve."

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