Women in leadership positions:

[Gabriel]

As some may know, Elizebeth Hoffman, former president of the University of Colorado in the midst of two scandals at the university - Ward Churchhill and the accuse for money, football sex scandal.

She is a laughing example of a leader. A true leader would have stayed with the university to guide it through its troubled times, not abondoned your post when the heat starts to get turned up.

I shouldn't be surprised they hired wuss, she was probably hired b/c she is a woman and it is soooo pc to hire a woman these days. To show off how fair your are - and colleges are liberal and pc is liberal dogma, so it adds up.

With the disaster of that HP CEO, I'll use these two as examples the next time I hear of some liberal woman complaining that there are no females in the top jobs.

The university has enough to deal with, with the scandals - adding finding a president to the list is not what it needs.

[RLA]

I was thinking about the ex-HP boss woman.

Any ceo can screw up a company when they don't understand the core business and pander to the stock market. Or if they do anything else that is stupid and drives the company down.

Man or woman, it is their leadership ability and a host of other qualities that may be missing.

The issue to me is that a higher proportion of unsuitable, unqualified and inexperienced women are promoted into such posts simply because they are women. They are shielded from the normal trials-by-fire and proving process that men undergo. They are promoted to fill an arbitrary quota instead of the requirements of the job.

Thus, the liklihood of a given woman CEO (or pretty much any woman in a position of authority) being bad at her job is probably much higher than a given man.

It would be nice to see a definitive study on the relative performance of men and women in a spread of occupations. Although, I already know which sex I'd bet my house on!

[alien]

Yep - if women made the top ranks fair-and-square (merit) then for sure they would be excellent role models for other women to admire and emulate. But instead - women - especially young girls, are going to witness high-flying women crashing and burning.

Gender has catapulted many women to the top. If only these women had that missing ingredient called merit.

[Hachu]

Yep - if women made the top ranks fair-and-square (merit) then for sure they would be excellent role models for other women to admire and emulate. But instead - women - especially young girls, are going to witness high-flying women crashing and burning.

Gender has catapulted many women to the top. If only these women had that missing ingredient called merit.

And Maatkare says

Bullsheeeoot!

Men in Leadership positions
crash burn
phuck up
screw up
steal
lie
cheat
abandon

all the damn time
and some of them get in those positions
by being a buddy of a buddy of a buddy

Gender doesn't = incompetence

[RLA]

Gender doesn't = incompetence

In a way, you're right.

That a CEO is a woman does not necessarily mean that she is incompetent. It's just more likely.

[no2fembots]

I've yet to meet even one woman who said she prefers to work under/for a female boss/supervisor.  Not even one!

BTW, I've been an employer of both official sexes for 8 years now.  Years ago, I worked for women and with mostly women x 12 years - hospitals.

I've worked for government and colleges.  Same deal: lots of women staffers and bosses and TONS of complaining by women about other women collegues and superiors.

I think the stereotype holds true: GENERALLY speaking, women are poor leaders and do not garner the respect required to lead - from both men and women.

Regards,

[LSBeene]

In my opinion, for what it's worth, I think both Hachu and Alien have good points.

My mother is the president of the coporation she runs.  She got there by merit.  She worked LONG hours and has made her boss a TON of money (and is doing nicely herself, thank you very much).

That said, I notice how ALL (and I MEAN "ALL") of the senior management she hires are WOMEN.  And that's no different than the "old boys club".

There will ALWAYS be "it's who you know" in our various organization.  It's unfortunate, but it's not always merit that wins first prize.

What I think is wrong is when SPECIFICALLY color or gender are quotas as to who to hire, and when there are MORE than a representative of women or "minorities" that nothing is done.

Perfect example: FUBU the clothing company is predominately black.  The name even means: For Us, By Us.

Then consider Abercrombie and Fitch who was recently sued (and they lost) as to not having enough Asians in their ranks.  

And in the same vein the "we want 50% women CEO's" idea is ludicrous if most women don't want to sacrifice EVERYTHING in their lives to their jobs.

And neither do many men.  

Equality of outcome is not "fair", it's a quota system.

Steven

[sethay]

I've yet to meet even one woman who said she prefers to work under/for a female boss/supervisor.  Not even one!

BTW, I've been an employer of both official sexes for 8 years now.  Years ago, I worked for women and with mostly women x 12 years - hospitals.

I've worked for government and colleges.  Same deal: lots of women staffers and bosses and TONS of complaining by women about other women collegues and superiors.

I think the stereotype holds true: GENERALLY speaking, women are poor leaders and do not garner the respect required to lead - from both men and women.

Regards,

Just so you know, from Warren Farrell's new book:

According to The Gallup Organization:

"according to the 22 countries polled, both sexes who have experience working for men and women bosses prefer working for men bosses.  Women prefer men bosses by a ratio of more then two to one, and men prefer them by a ratio of more then three to one."

Of course feminists would say this is due to negative stereotyping, which does have some validity....but not much.

[no2fembots]

Hey, thanks for the stat, sethay.

Regards,

[Alpha Male]

In my life I have only ever lost two jobs.
The first one because I contacted the owner of the company about the woman I worked for. I told him that she was unethical and I believed she was ripping the company off. The owner wasn't discreet. She found out and engineered my termination. (Missing paperwork primarily and various other bullshit claims) It took about another year and a half but she finally got nailed for stealing money from the company. I love running into the owner out in town because he has a hard time meeting my eyes.
The second one I lost... She was the owner of her own business. Hired myself and another woman at the same time. I passed our state exam the first time as opposed to my counterpart who took about two extra months and two extra tries. The owner never really trained us. Just threw us into the deep end and expected us to swim. We both made mistakes. When my counterpart made a mistake, the owner and her would discuss things calmly in her office. When I made a mistake she would bite my head off and attempt to humiliate me. I could do nothing right. One morning when the owner was out I asked my counterpart why she felt this was. She said, "I'm guessing here, but she is going through a nasty divorce and you are happily married..."  Finally, one of our companies failed to process an endorsement I sent to them 11 days prior to an automatic withdrawal date. The client's account got overdrawn and the company refused to make amends so my boss had to. She used this as the grounds to terminate my employment. I felt awful. This is the ONLY job I had ever LEGITIMATELY lost. I felt bad up until the point I got this job and they said "and she fired you for that?!?"

I **almost** decided that I wouldn't take another job where I would be working for a woman. I know that is terribly sexist but that is exactly how I was feeling. I *did* take this job and I *do* work for a woman. However the woman I work for is older and one who actually came up through the ranks. She sucessfully built and ran her own agency prior to moving to this state and she knows the business. She is incredibly fair and level-headed. The only "bad" thing about my current job is the way our primarily female office gossip about and back-bite each other. Talk about holding grudges! Damn.

But, what I am getting around to, is that, yeah, if I had two job opportunities that were exactly identical except for the gender of my boss... I would take the one where I am working for a man and it would be based entirely on personal experience from my own work history.

[Quasimodo]

I find that more often than not I find myself voting against a female running for public office, especially local elections, if she and her male opponent are both unknown quantities.

I figure that even if she hasn't stated it in her profile she is likely to have an agenda for more women's shelters (and "treatment" for them bad ol' men), more emphasis on women's health, poverty, education; if elected she'll simply provide more perks for women/girls only regardless of whether she openly says so or not.

But then again, Hillary Clinton is my junior senator. (And Chuck "shared parenting over my dead body" Schumer is the senior senator.)

Is this sexist? I think not. After all, well-educated women, from whom our public servants are drawn, have likely been exposed to women's studies brainwashing, the anti-male campus, and are probably supported by EMILY's List. And this same wariness goes for women at the head of non-profit organizations too.

[realman]

Quasimodo:

"Maxine Waters on the 2004 March for Women:
"I have to march because my mother could not have an abortion." ! "

There's a term for that, what the heck is it?.......Oh yeah, that's right- "feminine logic" :roll:

Hilarious ain't it....

[FEMINAZIHATEMARTYR]

Is this sexist? I think not. After all, well-educated women, from whom our public servants are drawn, have likely been exposed to women's studies brainwashing, the anti-male campus, and are probably supported by EMILY's List. And this same wariness goes for women at the head of non-profit organizations too.

Certainly most (if not all) democrat women are radical feminazi's. This is why Ill never vote for the democratic party. Observe;

http://www.emilyslist.org/about/

EMILY's List, the nation's largest grassroots political network, is dedicated to taking back our country from the radical right wing by electing pro-choice Democratic women to federal, state, and local office. We are a network of over 100,000 Americans -- from all across the country and all walks of life -- committed to recruiting and funding viable women candidates; helping them build and run effective campaign organizations; and mobilizing women voters to help elect progressive candidates across the nation.

Notice how they fail to mention that the only candidates they support to replace the right wing are neo-marxist feminist stooges.

[Gabriel]

Six Democratic state lawmakers on Thursday called for University of Colorado head football coach Gary Barnett to follow the school president's move and resign.

"I'm concerned that everyone will be allowed to breathe a sigh of relief, using Elizabeth Hoffman as a scapegoat," said a letter written by Rep. Cheri Jahn, D-Wheat Ridge.
"If we are going to 'clean house,' then let us clean the entire house!" Jahn wrote.

Five other Democratic representatives signed a statement calling for the Board of Regents to ask for Barnett's resignation. It was sent Thursday to Jerry Rutledge, chairman of the board.

Those who signed it were Betty Boyd, of Lakewood; Judy Solano, of Brighton; Morgan Carroll, of Aurora; Rosemary Marshall, of Denver; and Angie Paccione, of Fort Collins.

Obviously, they are dissapoint by Betty Hoffman's stunning lack of leadership, strength and courage in front of a national audience. So they are going after a male, Gary Barnett.

Women protect their own.

It wasn't the football deal that caused her to resign, it was the communist, America hater - Ward Churchill Scandal.

Link

[The Gonzman]

Yep - if women made the top ranks fair-and-square (merit) then for sure they would be excellent role models for other women to admire and emulate. But instead - women - especially young girls, are going to witness high-flying women crashing and burning.

Gender has catapulted many women to the top. If only these women had that missing ingredient called merit.

And Maatkare says

Bullsheeeoot!

Men in Leadership positions
crash burn
phuck up
screw up
steal
lie
cheat
abandon

all the damn time
and some of them get in those positions
by being a buddy of a buddy of a buddy

Gender doesn't = incompetence

Getting ahead due to an affirmative action pass sure as hell increases the chances of getting a screw-up in the position, though.