I have a hard time believing anything on "fastseduction" would have a different approach
Well, maybe I can help with that. From the last link given above (emphasis added):
Sometimes the question "If ordinary guys get laid why do I need all this information?" comes up in the forum. I'm sure many visitors who stumble on to this site with no prior intention of looking for this kind of information might also ask this question. The guys out there who find this site out of a legitimate search for such information don't tend to ask it because they already know the answer. This page sets out as an answer to the question, with help from a few forum posts.
>Reading all this stuff makes
>my head spin. I can't
>understand how anybody ever
>gets laid. How do normal guys
>who get chicks get laid?
Usually, they don't.
If they do, they generally get attached to that chick (one-itis), her being their only option, and when they get dumped they don't have a clue how to get another chick, and the cycle of "luck" begins with them again. After a while, they get sick of how hard it is for them to find a new chick when the "relationship" ends, so they choose marriage and remove themselves from the "game" and add their genes to the gene pool, causing the cycle of beta males to continue populating the landscape. Many times, their wife ends up cheating on them.
There are a few guys who do get laid regularly, by the chicks they want to get laid with, and do so without depending on luck. Those guys are called "naturals" and this web site goes about dismantling all the things those naturals do so that we can emulate and understand their tactics. The result of that is the creation of PUAs (Pick-up Artists).
And, beyond that, there are the upper top of men, maybe the top 0.5% who get by just through perfect looks, built-in social proof (fame), or some other aspect which gets them women without conscious effort and without luck. We don't focus on that around here.
>can't I just do what they do,
Because, if you did, you might get a few "dates" here & there, pay for those dates, supplicate yourself, have the chick lose interest in you fast, and continue this cycle for months and months until getting "lucky" by either running into a chick who is highly interested in you out of chance or you accidentally do the right series of things to get her interested enough to sleep with you. Of course, since all that would happen accidentally, you will gradually lose her interest because you won't know how to sustain it. She'll dump you for another guy and you'll end up back in the same vicious cycle.
>instead of telling all these
>false stories and silly
Well, here's the thing. A lot of people find this site and read through the Player Guide and skip around the guide and seem to only pick out the most canned stuff, yet not fully understand the core of the material, which is mostly about attitude, self-improvement, and practicing effective tactics.
Also, the forum seems to be skipped by those people, even though there are regular discussions about topics WAY more advanced and useful than partial sections of the Player Guide. Many people skip over the FAQ as well, even though links for it are plastered all over the site, and it's emphasized as a VERY important read.
If even just 10% of the guys out there who had trouble getting chicks the way they want read this site, and made use of the materials, understood the attitudes, etc., not only would they significantly improve their lives and the lives of the chicks they interact with, they'd also cause a "shift" in many chicks on this side of the world to realize they must improve themselves (lose weight, get better attitudes, stop playing games) in order to have a better chance to get a quality male. Because most guys, once they know this stuff, raise the standard they are willing to accept from chicks, and disregard chicks that aren't up to par. That means goodbye teases, bitches, fatties, psychos, and manipulators. Bye bye. Hello stable, secure, good-looking, nice chicks who aim to please REAL MEN in their lives.
The overall point is that, outside of arrangements like marriage, only 20% of the men lay 80% of the women. You either want to be in the that 20% or not. And, unless you're already a natural at it, you'll need to learn what it takes to get you there. That's what this web site is for.
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To answer your question, so as not to come across so harsh as I may have, normal guys DON'T usually get laid. At times they get lucky, or happen to be so good-looking that women pick them rather than the other way around. But when there are PUAs in the vicinity, women leave with them and normal guys are left complaining that they never get laid.
EVERYONE gets laid sooner or later.
I know this sounds incredible, especially considering some of the dudes I know, but it's true. It's just that there might be like 5 years or so between each time. ;-)
As I have noted elsewhere, I know several guys who look like total alphas, women drool over them. But because they behave like full-time AFCs, even THEY have been known to have little or no sex for a year or so. Just imagine how much AFCs without good looks are getting... horrible. :-(
>After a while, they get sick of how hard
>it is for them to find a new chick when
>the "relationship" ends, so they choose
Lots of guys also become "misogynists" at this point, meaning that they start to hate women. They don't have a clue why women don't like them, but decide that it must be the womens' fault, and begin to hate them. I would imagine that rapists often belong to this category, but I haven't really studied the issue. What I do know is that it can be sensed when they talk about women, and it's not pretty.
>Many times, their wife ends up cheating
Evolutionary psychologists agree that women are actually looking for two mates, not one; a provider, and a genetic resource. They will hook up with providers and then have steaming sex with alphas behind the betas' backs. The best deal is of course an alpha who is also a provider, but those things kinda cancel each other out because an alpha stops being an alpha when he supplicates.
Women actually do this quite often; they just don't get caught for it as often as men do because they don't brag about it. They also don't have a need to tell their partners because while men make an emotional investment in their woman, women reserve their emotional investment for their children. If you study the statistics, you will notice that while men frequently commit suicide when their long-term relationship ends, women almost never do. Anybody ever wonder why?
Another study showed that the truth is actually likely to never come out; they did paternity tests to thousands of couples and their children, and it was revealed that a staggering number of the children weren't actually genetically related to their father at all. I wish I still had that paper somewhere...
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>Those guys are called "naturals" and this
>web site goes about dismantling all the
>things those naturals do so that we can
>emulate and understand their tactics.
I must testify that this seems to be correct; I happen to know someone who is as much a "natural" as they get. One night in a club, I told him about this website, and listed the main ASF techniques and ideas. He was very interested, said that he would take a look at the site and all. The real interesting part was when he was able to identify EVERY one those techniques and ideas in his own style; this guy had mastered these things through practice, without ever having heard of NLP!
>seem to only pick out the most canned
>stuff, yet not fully understand the core
>of the material, which is mostly about
>attitude, self-improvement, and practi-
>cing effective tactics.
Yeah, no way in hell that could ever work; the key issue is that you can't fake stuff, it will show. What you can do is change your own personality, and then reflect that outward. All these "techniques" we are talking about are not in fact techniques at all; rather, they are observations of how alphas behave, so that those who are learning them can better understand the goal which they are trying to achieve, within themselves. A PUA does not think to himself: "Now I will use technique X, and finish with Y". He just does what an alpha would do, because he has himself become one. Although this is a guess since I am not PUA yet, I would imagine that the truest sign of achieving the goal is that you no longer understand when you are using a "technique"; you have forgotten them.
And lets not forget that it is not only seduction (actually attraction) that we learn here; this is the stuff that defines one's success in almost all areas of life, because that is the role of the alpha: to succeed in everything he does. This knowledge is genetically encoded in all of us, so men and women alike will bow to an alpha. Scott Adams got it right when he noted in Dilbert that all the top places go to "people with good hair"; alphas rule the world.
Baldguy is exactly right.
Think about it - EVERYONE gets laid sooner or later. And for an AFC that is why we called it 'Getting Lucky' - because that is exactly what it was.
Go back to your AFC past and analyze all the times you got lucky - the irony of it all is that on most of those times - we were unknowingly (and by sheer luck) demonstrating Alpha PUA qualities. That is what got us laid.
The difference now is that we are no longer unaware and it is no longer 'luck'.
> Usually, they don't.
This is really true. I have many male acquaintances and basically know what they pull. They're from many different backgrounds and have different life circumstances. I'm not hanging out with only losers here. They're rich, poor, good looking, fugly, brilliant, stupid, etc..
One thing that causes a general misperception is that almost all of them exagerate their success to other guys. Like they'll tell other guys they laid 10 women last year when it was really only 2. Or 30 in their lifetime when it's more like 5. It's adolescent bragging for respect (social proof for other males) but most guys never grow out of it.
I'll look for some real stats for the discussion but I bet it's common for an AFC to go a year without getting laid.
This is painful to admit but there were two separate periods of my life where I went at least TWO YEARS without getting "lucky"!!! And I am a good looking and reasonably intelligent guy. Yes, your theory is correct. There are TONS of guys out there who haven't been laid in at least a year even if it would seem the odds are in their favor. For those who are below average in looks, are introverted and beta-passive the numbers are probably staggering.
Anyone reading this who is one of those guys, put this material and especially the attitudes into practice and I can guarantee you will see positive results. Forget all the bullshit that's been fed to you by society and family and authority about being nice, or being a gentleman, or putting a woman on a pedestal. If you want to put her on a pedestal then treat her like she's a human being (one that has a sexual drive as high if not higher than yours) and not like a fragile china doll that is to be handled with extreme caution. Treat her like a woman, not like a lady.
BaldGuy makes a final comment: http://www.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/03/15/divorce.suicide.wmd/index.html