spring loaded knives, vaginas, and rape

Started by Gabriel, Apr 23, 2005, 03:01 PM

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Shades of Pale

Gabriel, let's just leave off him tearing up my shit.  Let's just say all the fucker did was get into my house.   You BET that's traumatizing.   To come out and see a perfect stranger in MY SANCTUARY?   You BET that's traumatic.   Triply so when I didn't EXPECT anyone at all to be there.  When my house is empty it better fucking stay empty.  

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Unfortunately, that argument doesn't make much sense and seems rather cavalier and dissasociated with how violent and powerful an actual rape is. Also, it's the sense that your body was violated without your consent and used as a vessel for someone elses sick pleasure. That's a pretty disempowering and traumatic experience in my mind.


Yep.   If someone used my mouth or anus against my will to get off, the fact that it wasn't especially physically painful wouldn't mean a hell of a lot to me.

It's the same with my home, my property.  It's the violation that is the issue.  It's traumatic.  NOT the end of the world, but definitely it sucks ass.

no2fembots

During any type of physical assault one is hopped up on adrenaline and other chemicals.  Pain is minimized and sometimes blocked totally.  Pain is not the issue (at least not immediately).

Violation is a powerful word that describes a powerful effect.  Yet, is not "violation" in the mind of the beholder?

Femicrits want all to believe - especialy women - that rape is THE MOST DEVASTATING event that a women could possibly face.  How this diminishes the emotional and spritiual strenght of a woman!  Make victims of them all!

It is not the event that causes trauma, it is how the person perceives said trauma.  The activating event does not create a cause and effect relationship.

no2fembots had the priviledge of working with old folks living in long term care facilites.  One old woman told the 'bot about her rape at the hand of a German soldier in the Netherlands.  She was beat, abused and roughly penetrated.  The soldier kicked her in the stomach as an afterthought, post "coitus".

This woman was in her early 30s at the time.  Healthy but underfed.  She got up, brushed the dirt off her dress, straightened out her hair and went home.  She considered herself lucky because (a) she had not been shot, (b) she had been beaten, but not to a pulp, (c) SHE WAS ALIVE!!!

The foregoing is only offered as (subjective) proof that the global statement "all rape is tramautic" is inherently false.

But to state that the act is not capable of inducing tramatic effect is equally absurd.

For the record, no2fembots, leaving the restaraunt, was punched in the face by one of two men walking into a Denny's from the parking lot many years ago.  The shock was electric!  To be hit out of the blue with no provocation at all was truly a violation that galvanized this poor 'bot!  The sense of indignant outrage felt was all out of proportion to the activating event - the punch.

The retaliation rained upon the head of the hapless attacker was also out of all proportion to the event.   :angryfire:
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It is not the event that causes trauma, it is how the person perceives said trauma.  The activating event does not create a cause and effect relationship.


Thanks bot, for taking the time to write what I was too lazy to say.

Trapped

http://www.heeltribune.com/article.php?id=207

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Shades of Pale

Actually Gabriel I also noted that trauma was subjective and variable.

So that isn't the issue.

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Yet, is not "violation" in the mind of the beholder?


No.  Try reading the fourth amendment.

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Femicrits want all to believe - especialy women - that rape is THE MOST DEVASTATING event that a women could possibly face. How this diminishes the emotional and spritiual strenght of a woman! Make victims of them all!


We've ALREADY agreed (Christ, didn't we agree this when we came to THIS of all boards?????) that feminists overstate that shit.   BADLY.   For some, rape might be the MOST DEVASTATING event of their lives.  For others, not so much.

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The foregoing is only offered as (subjective) proof that the global statement "all rape is tramautic" is inherently false. ****

But to state that the act is not capable of inducing tramatic effect is equally absurd.


No one stated either thing, they are both extremes.

****NOTE: You are assuming a fact not in evidence...that the woman who was beaten and raped considered it NOT traumatic.   The fact that she was grateful to be alive is NOT proof that the rape and beating was not traumatic to her, that it did not hurt, that it did not damage her, OR THAT IT WAS OK FOR THE GUY TO DO IT TO HER.   All it proves is that the woman was pragmatic enough to know it could have been infinitely worse.

Your story absolutely did NOT make a case that "all rape is not traumatic."

It's also fairly odd that you find no problem in raining down retaliation upon the head of someone, out of all proportion to the event (though I can't see for the life of me WHAT was out of proportion about THAT) when you would seem, by your arguments, to wish that rapists did not get said retaliation rained down on them.   Even if said women were blindsided in the same way you describe.   By being jumped, for example, from the bushes.    

Now perhaps I am wrong and that is not what you are saying.  But the context sure sounds like that's what you mean.   If I am wrong, I apologize, but could you at least make it clear?

Pancakeshouse

Rape is traumatic, I don't care who you are. I know even men who are afraid of rape not from other men but from women. My friend went to a party once and he got very drunk, he passed out cold and awakened to find himself tied up and a woman undressing him he asked her what she was doing, to which she replied "I'm going to do what I want." she began to mount him and he told her to get off but she wouldn't; and she raped him, he felt used and traumatized by the experience . You see he doesn't believe in having sex unless it's with someone he loves.
True story. Give me one example of someone, anyone who was a rape victim and came out feeling honky dory about the expierence, and I'll show you a pig flying. :roll:

Not to say that rape is the worst thing that can ever happen to someone, it isn't; but geez it is pretty bad, it's just too personal. So don't act like rape is nothing.
nd when the train headed through was she coming straight for you and do you have a camera for a face?

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