spring loaded knives, vaginas, and rape

Started by Gabriel, Apr 23, 2005, 03:01 PM

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Gabriel

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Ok, so these women are afraid of rape because rape is so so tramatic. So to prevent rape, they are willing to stick weapons in their vaginas, little knives, some spring loaded knife with a barb.

Ok so this makes a whole lot of sense. Lets examine this.

Rape: A man forcibly sticking his penis, made of flesh, into the vagina of a woman at most a few dozen times.

So to prevent this terrible experience, they will stick sping loaded knives up there. Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense.

Walking around "loaded" with a pressure triggered, spring loaded barbed knife in your vagina would seem to be much more tramatic than a penis in there for 5 minutes.

Arte Grey

We did 2 threads of this yesterday...  It's a "product" that never really got out of development.  All "ads" concerning the "product" were about creating "men are rapists" discussions.   Why are we doing this again?? :banghead:  :arg:

http://standyourground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5308
http://standyourground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5316

Ok, calmer now... :scratchchin:  :sigh:  Maybe you really didn't know we did this twice yesterday.  I'm too new to be starting fights (takes pain meds for the headache)...
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Gabriel

Yeah, I haven't been keeping up to date.

Regardless, my main point is that rape is not tramatic.

dr e

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Yeah, I haven't been keeping up to date.

Regardless, my main point is that rape is not tramatic.


What?  Where is the evidence for this claim?  If we had a couple of guys hold you down and rape you against your will don't you think that would be a traumatic experience?
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Shades of Pale

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Rape: A man forcibly sticking his penis, made of flesh, into the vagina of a woman at most a few dozen times.


Or her anus.  Tearing it up but good.   Or if she's a virgin, it's gonna tear her up even in the vagina.  

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Regardless, my main point is that rape is not tramatic.


THAT is your point?  

Yes, it is traumatic.   It isn't all the "end of the world" that the feminists make it out to be but not traumatic?  Bull.

Arte Grey

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Regardless, my main point is that rape is not tramatic.
I think that most women and men who have experienced rape or have friends who have would disagree...  You original statement in the intial post made more sense, but the object is more like a glorified straight pin in a "tampon" (see the original product site for "blueprint").

However rape defence strategies normally involve avoiding dangerous situations, thinking of an excuse that might make the victim less desirable - or an injure, escape, and make noise strategy.  As two threads of this yesterday and looking at the diagram of the device revealed - the device seems to be a glorified straight pin or hat pin hidden in a "tampon."  Not enough to provide an injure, escape, and make noise opportunity a (female) victim would need.  A "pin prick" would only annoy the attacker and probably result in more harm.

In most forums where this "ad" was discussed yesterday, people wound up feeling "played."  First, by the fact that the "product" was not real and dated back to 2003 (once a reader read all the pages at the site).  Second,  by the fact that the "ads" were centered on the same old "women are victims, any man can become a 'perp' arguments." :cat5:
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Mr. Bad

Guys, I saw that device as the B.S. it was right away.  After all, once you cocked (pun intended) the Vagina Stilleto, how the heck would you be able to insert it?  Presumably it's triggered but the tip of a soft penis pushing against the tip, which triggered the unit to expose the sharp tip, so when the girl went to push it inside of her, the unit would go off and mangle her finger.

As for rape not being traumatic, I have to agree that that statement is ludcrous.  However, I believe that aside from any physical injury, it's not nearly as bad as feminists make it out to be, and indeed probably is no more traumatic than getting mugged and IMO it's akin to it.  

I see rape as a type of theft, and indeed, forcible theft is often accompanied by assault and even murder.  But when feminists wail that rape is as bad as, e.g., getting captured and tortured duing wartime, etc., I think they're completely full of B.S.   The only exception to this is if you're talking about rape of men in prison, who most likely have to endure being raped repeatedly, day after day, week after week.  Not that is truly a type of torture and is very serious.

But since those are only men raping other men, it's no big deal, right?  That must be why nobody cares or even mentions rape of men when discussing the general topic of rape.
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Gabriel

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Yeah, I haven't been keeping up to date.

Regardless, my main point is that rape is not tramatic.


What?  Where is the evidence for this claim?  If we had a couple of guys hold you down and rape you against your will don't you think that would be a traumatic experience?


First off, there is no reason to get personal.

Second, anal rape is completely different than vaginal rape.

Third, if a person commonly practiced having objects stuck up their ass, than being anally raped would not be that tramatic an experience for them.

dr e

You didn't answer the question.
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The Biscuit Queen

I too am waiting for an explaination. I would love to hear how on earth being raped anally is more traumatic than vaginally.

I think both are well within the ability of people to get past given time,  but to deny it is traumatic to begin with?

Sounds like extremist denial to me. No better than the rad fems saying rape is the end of a woman's life.
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Shades of Pale

Mr. Bad, remember the inventor actually IS trying to patent and subsequently market the device.  As crazy as that is.   I don't know if that photo is a prototype or not but as far as being "real", it potentially is.   Not that I ever expect to see them on store shelves.

Gabriel, it seems you are confusing "painful" with "traumatic."   It is possible that someone used to having sex might not have much physical pain with one.   But do deny that being violated is traumatic is unwise.  If I walk into my living room to find an intruder tearing up my shit, even though he doesn't get anything, that IS traumatic, though it isn't painful.   It is likely to remain a fear for some time.   Hopefully I'm prepared and armed, to minimize the trauma of the event, or at least get proactive afterwards to help myself get over it.   But you bet it's a scary and violative thing, in other words, traumatic.

Gabriel

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If I walk into my living room to find an intruder tearing up my shit, even though he doesn't get anything, that IS traumatic, though it isn't painful.   It is likely to remain a fear for some time.


So, if your SO torn up your "shit" 3 times a week and you wanted that SO to do so and than you came home one day and found someone else tearing up your possessions you are telling me that it is still going to be tramatic?

Now, if someone who never had their "shit" torn up and never wanted it, than it would be different.

The Biscuit Queen

Absolutely.
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dr e

You still haven't answered the question.
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Assault

I see what you're trying to say. Since the vagina is a sexual organ and is commonly used, therefore forcibly performing the sex act shouldn't be traumatic, since the vagina's purpose is for sex. Right?

Unfortunately, that argument doesn't make much sense and seems rather cavalier and dissasociated with how violent and powerful an actual rape is. Also, it's the sense that your body was violated without your consent and used as a vessel for someone elses sick pleasure. That's a pretty disempowering and traumatic experience in my mind.

The same argument could hold true in this scenario. I assume you're heterosexual. Let's say I grabbed you off the street and held you down and performed fellatio on you without your consent. I mean, the penis is pleasured orally by women all the time so it shouldn't be traumatic for you right?

On the contrary, I think any person would be traumatized and ashamed of that experience.
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