The Thai Dream.

Started by richard ford, Apr 23, 2005, 09:19 PM

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richard ford

Have you been to Thailand? Have you worked there?

I am looking for an escape route for myself from the feminist gulag- and I am also looking for a way to bring up a family free of the influence of feminism.

Happiness does not come from owning lots of stuff- it comes from personal relationships and from having role in life that other people respect and understand. Individuals do like to feel wealthy but this comes from having more than the people they compare themselves with. In other words a woman living in Thailand, who is sure that her husband loves her and who has as many possessions as she could reasonably expect to have will stand a better chance of happiness than a pampered western princess who is constantly told that looking after children is a useless and degrading activity.

A Thai woman is closer to her family than her western sister so it is natural for her to want one of her own. Raising children is of course the most valuable thing any human being can do with their lives (everything else is just money and power) but it is not always an easy one. Feminism grew up largely because of the boredom and isolation motherhood can bring but the feminist medicine simply makes the situation worse. Feminism will start by isolating the woman from her family by creating a power struggle between her mother and her husband. Traditional societies stress that mothers in law have great responsibility for their daughters marriage and the failure of such a marriage reflects badly upon them. In order for a marriage to succeed there must be understanding between men and women. If there is a strong bond between father and daughter then this is not usually a problem as the woman can learn about men from him. Feminism strikes at this bond in two ways and leaves the newly married woman without a clue how to deal with men. First feminism encourages daughters to devalue the wisdom of their fathers and then it seeks to exclude fathers from the family altogether.

Feminism seems to take a sadistic pleasure in destroying the happiness of women so that women can go to war with men. We see that feminism destroys the relationships that support motherhood and make a successful marriage likely. Feminist society has made the workplace the centre of social interaction and pushed the family to the margins. This will virtually ensure that a new mother will suffer loneliness and boredom- yet she still stands some chance of happiness if she truly believes in the value of what she does. This pride becomes the last thing to be destroyed by the feminists before the woman may be remade in their image. They will work on her in a hundred ways, telling her that she could be a millionaire with a private jet if only she could get rid of her child.

This is a lie of course- the feminists know it is a lie and even the woman herself knows it is a lie but still it works its poison within her. She feels that she is missing out on life and resents her husband more and more. Why should the glamorous and satisfying world of work be for him only? The fact that her husband may clean shoes or fill the shelves of supermarkets does nothing to diminish the dream- work would be different for her than it is for him she feels. Before feminism the woman felt that her husband was striving for her, to make a better future for them both. Now she feels resentful even when he is promoted and she begins to hate him. Slowly she drives him from the home and alienates him from the children, killing that spark of innocence. Eventually he does not come home.

Another feminist has been born- and a life destroyed.

No child of mine to grow up without a father. I will break this chain of loneliness by which daughters of broken homes grow up to be feminists and create broken homes of their own. Children of feminist (broken) homes know about manipulation and violence but nothing about love. They grow up with an emotional emptiness which manifests itself as feminism and violence.

I cannot change my country by very much- although this website is one of my efforts. I cannot even change the way woman treat me by very much- but I can ensure that my children are more than bit part actors in the tragic death of a great civilization. I will use this little bit of power that nature has given me.

My children will know me.

contrarymary

Richard, that was an extremely moving post. I would like to comment more, but with this virus or whatever it is both T and I have, I don't have energy for much.

Please know my best wishes are with you, FWIW.

Rosemarie
quot;I can resist anything but temptation."

 Oscar Wilde

contrarymary

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Happiness does not come from owning lots of stuff- it comes from personal relationships and from having role in life that other people respect and understand.



That was beautiful. So on target.

Right now I'm feeling sorry for myself because I'm almost 50 and I feel I have wasted my life.  I'm supposed to have accomplished something...but what?  My father was very adamant about being "something".  As in a doctor, researcher, archaeologist or, in my case, a writer.

My mother, on the other hand, emphasised developing oneself over being "something".  As in being caring and generous.  What that paradigm got her, to be blunt, was sh*t on and taken for granted.

Many women, including myself, have come to believe that raising decent, caring children is not an accomplishment.  It's sad, really.  I'm grasping for something, which essence and reality eludes me.    Really, a 50 year old whose goal is merely to help people?  Not only nebulous, but rather pathetic.
quot;I can resist anything but temptation."

 Oscar Wilde

DLove

Richard, Read Fred's article on marriage south of the border.

http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm


DLove

Graboid

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Many women, including myself, have come to believe that raising decent, caring children is not an accomplishment.  .


Yes it is. If you have grown up children, it can be difficult to imagine how screwed-up they might have turned out without your care and guidance. Not sure what else to say, but maybe you'll feel better tomorrow.

Good to see you back here  :)
I don't think I'll get married again. I'll just find a woman I don't like and give her a house." - Lewis Grizzard

Their slogan may as well be 'From each according to his ability, to each according to her gender" - Judge John Roberts

Alpha Male

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Right now I'm feeling sorry for myself because I'm almost 50 and I feel I have wasted my life.  I'm supposed to have accomplished something...but what?  My father was very adamant about being "something".  As in a doctor, researcher, archaeologist or, in my case, a writer.


You know what, I'm incredibly happy with the choices I've made and at times I still feel like this. My friend, who rose from the enlisted ranks to become the ranking commissioned officer in his division, feels this way. My buddy R., who fulfilled his childhood dream of becoming a pilot and now works for a major airline, still feels this way.
I think it is a common anxiety for all of us. "Do I stack up?" Don't beat yourself to death on this one. Do what will make you happy.

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Many women, including myself, have come to believe that raising decent, caring children is not an accomplishment.  
I, for one, completely disagree with that idea. Spend some time people watching at a place where adults bring their children. Doesn't take very long before you start to understand the kind of job you did raising your children. If you raised decent, caring children then you da' bomb, baby!
ies come in three types: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

The Biscuit Queen

Raising kids well is the reason we exist. To feel that doing so is not a huge accomplishment is to deny our purpose in life, and to let feminism win. Only according to feminists, who claim to be pro woman, is doing what humans are built to do a problem.
he Biscuit Queen
www.thebiscuitqueen.blogspot.com

There are always two extremes....the truth lies in the middle.

no2fembots

Perhaps no2fembots can add $0.02 worth?

The terrible damage seen in the counselling hour, as people of all stripes anguish over their pain...

One's current behaviors are one's OWN responsibility and blame cannot in all honesty be apportioned to parent(s).  Yet, to start off on life's journey lacking in a solid sense of self, of an understanding of one's place in the larger scheme of mankind, of a default positive versus negative perspective, lacking the basic tools to learn to grow to be a FUNCTIONING person...; that is a crime!  And this crime is perpetrated by welll intentioned people every day!  Thanks to feminism.

no2fembots did not practice psychodynamic-style therapy- all problems are rooted in the past and one must feel the emotions from the past to experience cathartic release and move on with life (or something like that!).  The here and now, and leading to the future, that was the focus. Yet, if a magic wand had been at hand, it would have been waived over so many clients... and voila! They would have the experience - and the benefits - of GOOD PARENTING!

Raising "good and decent children" is a gift and a blessing to us all.  The greatest reward goes to those who achieve such results.

Praise be to the devoted MOTHER; praise be to the devoted FATHER!
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."  - Winston Churchill
                                                                                   
"Get Angry...Get Loud... GET UP off your KNEES!"

richard ford

I am touched and grateful that you guys understand what I am trying to express.

In many ways woman are more devalued by feminism than men. Why? Because everything nature wants you to do is useless shit in their view. At least earning money like a man is judged to be worthwhile even if the man is not!

I would count you as sucessful,CM. You have achived your aim of being a nice and decent human being and you have kept your family together despite a lot of shit. You may not be 'sucessful' in the eyes of the world but why should you value there opinion so?

Are you writing? CM.

Most people have more to say at 50 than at 30. Just write a few words a day and you may feel that you have not abandoned worldly sucess. It may be published- or it may not.

You will still be a writer.

NB How many 'sucessful' people are there anyway?

contrarymary

Thanks with all my heart, everyone, for the beautiful thoughts.  And a special thank you to Richard.

I spoke with my father the other night.  As Alzheimered-out as he is, he is still the wisest person I have ever encountered.  He used to beat the crap out of us for doing something like leaving an unwashed spoon in the sink, but whenever it was something critical like, in my case, being pregnant at 18 or, in my brother's case, being arrested, he was the epitome of calm and rational understanding.

Daddy told me, when I whined to him about feeling like a failure, "All I did was raise 7 children, and I can't think of anything more worthwhile".

Not true.  Daddy overcame a terrible childhood.  While he was very young, his parents divorced.  His father, although having no interest in his children, kidnapped them and brought them to live in Alabama where he had relatives look after them - merely to spite his ex-wife. Daddy's mother fought long and hard to bring them back to Pennsylvania but, once back, they had to live in foster homes and orphanages where they were routinely abused.  (This was in the early 30s.)  Eventually, Nana married a fine man whose name I am privileged to carry.  He was a wonderful husband to her, a loving father to Daddy, and the best grandfather to me and my 6 siblings.

Daddy was skinny and undernoursished and endured much teasing during his formative years, along with the physical and emotional abuse.  He once told me, in an unguarded moment, of having vomited while in the foster home due to being ill and then being forced, by his foster parents, to eat that vomit.  

I know.  Worse than heartbreaking.  And that was the least of it.

Daddy enlisted in the Navy when he was 17 - as brilliant as he was, he was failing senior year in high school, and he was told he would pass if he enlisted.   When he came back from fighting in WWII, he met the only person in his life whom he felt ever believed in him - my mother.

My mother gently but lovingly pushed my father to go to college.  When he stated, flatly, "What, me go to college?", she replied, simply, "Yes.  You can do it.  You will do it."

And he did.

Mind you, this was a man who was extremely intelligent, but who had no belief in himself.  My mother believed in him.  She was so gently and lovingly persistent in her belief, he said later he felt he had to follow through.  But then, my mother was, quite simply, the most breathtakingly beautiful (physically and spiritually) woman I have ever known.

Daddy finished college when I was 7.  He had a B.S. in Accountancy.  What he really wanted to do was teach, but he pursued the degree he felt would best support his growing family.  Another sacrifice.  But I don't feel he ever considered it such.

I am grateful, when I phone him, that he still knows who I am.  I know the day is coming when he will not.  But he made me feel so much better about the choices I have made in my life.  Daddy was simply resonating with pride that he raised seven (what he perceives to be) intelligent, beautiful, caring, decent, loving children.

Had my father not done so, then I would not be here to worry about MY choices in life.

Never mind the screaming over the dirty spoon in the sink.  My father has always been able to point out what really matters in life.

Daddy, I do love you.
quot;I can resist anything but temptation."

 Oscar Wilde

no2fembots

Thank-you CM for sharing your experiences with and about your father.

Truly beautiful and inspirational.

I have only now just wiped away my tears.
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."  - Winston Churchill
                                                                                   
"Get Angry...Get Loud... GET UP off your KNEES!"

contrarymary

Thank you, no2fembots.  I do love him.
quot;I can resist anything but temptation."

 Oscar Wilde

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