Argument with journalist - need info quickly! Please help!

Started by Mr Benn, May 16, 2005, 11:36 PM

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Mr Benn

Hi - I wrote an email to this female journalist who had written a whole list of ways that men are worse than women, and one of the things she claimed was that men abuse children more than women do.

Anyway, she wrote back and she still claims that this is true.

I'm almost certain this is wrong, but I don't have the stats to proove it.


Can anyone help?
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Ivar

Hey, Benn!

I found this... sorry but don't have time to do some detailed research on this now... However, I hope the following helps in some way:

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# Wives or girlfriends assault 2 million men every year (1.8 million women are assaulted by their spouses or boyfriends).
# 54% of all domestic violence termed 'severe' is committed by women against their husbands or boyfriends.(3)
# Over 2/3 of the child abuse committed by a parent is committed by the mother.(4)
# Mothers (55%) are more likely the fathers (45%) to murder their children.(5)
# Mothers kill sons (64%) more often than daughters (36%) and 78% of the child victims are under age 11.(6)
# One study of inner city child abuse found that 49% of all child abuse is committed by single parent mothers.(7)


1) "Women Are Responsible Too", Judith Shervin, Ph.D. and Jim Sniechowski, Ph.D., Los Angeles Times. June 21, 1994.

2) Research by M. Strauss & R. Gelles as reported in "Women Are Responsible Too", Judith Shervin, Ph.D. & Jim Sniechowski, Ph.D., Los Angeles Times. June 21, 1994.

3) Ibid.

4) Data provided by the Child Protective Service agencies of Virginia (67% mothers, 33% fathers), New Jersey (70% mothers, 30% fathers), Texas (68% mothers, 32% fathers), and Minnesota (62% mothers, 38% fathers) , and Alaska (67% mothers, 33% fathers).

5) Bureau of Justice, "Murder in Families", NCJ-143498.

6) Ibid.

7) A study of child abuse in Lansing, Michigan. Joan Ditson and Sharon Shay in Child Abuse and Neglect, Volume 8. 1984.

8) "Spouse Abuse: A Two-way Street", Warren Farrell, Ph.D., USA Today. June 29, 1994.



Link: http://www.menweb.org/domviol2.htm
ou've read it... And now you can never un-read it!

Mr Benn

Excellent thanks.

Chris Key also has a good page up on this:

http://www.mens-rights.net/law/1024x768/abuse.htm
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Wookie

Mr Benn, Hope this gets to you in time.

I guess that you are looking for UK stats

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/inform/Research/Summaries/ChildMaltreatmentInTheUK/Physicalabuse.asp

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Most of the violent treatment (78%) had happened at home, most often by mother (49%) or father (40%).


and thats from the NSPCC !

This may help, I don't know much about the organisation, so be careful that the reporter does not dismiss them as biased.

http://www.familieslink.co.uk/pages/research_public_interest_flint_response.htm

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The Government yet again repeat the myths of domestic violence with 'where contact is safe'. This blatantly ignores the research that shows women to be equally or more violent than men e.g. -The Fiebert report. http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm REFERENCES EXAMINING ASSAULTS BY WOMEN ON THEIR SPOUSES OR MALE PARTNERS: AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY. SUMMARY: This bibliography examines 130 scholarly investigations: 104 empirical studies and 26 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 77,000.

Violence against children by women is another issue where the public and Governmental attitude is very different than the facts revealed by formal studies. Some examples of the research which should inform policy are given below:

Source: The Third National Incidence Study of Child Abuse and Neglect (NIS-3) from the US Department of Health and Human Services reveals data about child abuse by mothers.
Women commit most child abuse in intact biological families. When the man is removed from the family the children are at greater risk. Mother-only households are more dangerous to children than father-only households. Children are 3 times more likely to be fatally abused in Mother-only Households than in Father-only Households, and many times more likely in households where the mother cohabits with a man other than the biological father. Children raised in Single-mother Households are 8 times more likely to become killers than children raised with their biological father.



Like I said b4 it may be worth reading more about this group as I don't know if there could be bias in there reporting.

But the NSPCC report, should give you some proof, it does not include sexual abuse, which men do commit at higher rates so I don't know what happens when the two stats are put together.

Wookie
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Mr Benn

Awesome. Thanks Wookie (say hi to Chewbacca for me).
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CaptDMO

How can  one show actual data,outside of an individual case. on the items in the power and control wheel(as well as others)of, oh-say- the Deluth model that's used to define domestic abuse?
Coincidence?I think not.

Galt

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How can  one show actual data,outside of an individual case. on the items in the power and control wheel(as well as others)of, oh-say- the Deluth model that's used to define domestic abuse?
Coincidence?I think not.


That's kind of a good point, but you can get a drift from the murder statistics involving parents murdering a child (my understanding is that the mother is more likely to murder the child than the father).  A dead child is pretty clear, and convictions are pretty clear, and I think that there are even statistics about this somewhere.

I realize that feminists may complain about a distortion because a lot of young girls throw a newborn into a garbage bag or dumpster - and are then caught (many aren't).  The feminists will say that is post-traumatic stress syndrome, or a young girl who doesn't know what she is doing or the like.

They can make that argument with abortion, but presently, killing a live baby is ... killing a live baby.  Maybe feminists can change that into some kind of "post-abortion" or something.  Maybe they can change a poisoning of their husbands into a "post-post abortion".

LST

I would just like to say that this bit:
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When the man is removed from the family the children are at greater risk.

is using feminist logic.

Just because there might be a higher statistical likelihood for children to be (nonsexually) abused by their mothers, it doesn't automatically mean that when the father is removed the mother has a greater chance to become an abuser if she wasn't before.
It puts her "on suspicion" automatically simply because of her sex.
o pity for feminazis.

The Biscuit Queen

I might go so far as to say that when the father is removed from the home, since step fathers and boyfriends are much more likely to abuse than natural fathers. But you are right, statements like these are very close to feminist. It is easy to get radical. We must not slide into what we fight.
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