:lol: This was her reply!
I read just a few sentences of your email and my first impression was, "Wow, this lady is toxic!" I seriously hope you don't speak to your children the way you speak to people online. All I did was dare to have a different opinion than you did. I hate to see what you'd do if your kid spilled Kool-aid on the carpet!!
Normally I'd enjoy a good debate about one of my opinions, but it's obvious from the tone of your email, you aren't going to take anything that disagrees with your opinion seriously. I'd be a fool to waste my time trying to have a mature debate with someone who has already made up her mind and dismissed me as a joke. I don't have a problem with you disliking me or my opinions. If everyone agreed, this would be a boring world. I wouldn't put my opinions out there if I didn't want a debate. But there is no need for insults in a debate. I could reply to your email by stooping to your level and call you names and mocking your opinions -- but then where would we be? That's no way to solve and issue or come to an understanding!
And to be honest, how can I take YOU seriously when you can't even debate in a mature manner? Just in the first few sentences alone, you'd already said I was silly, a liar, and oh yea, a big joke that you were laughing at. Right there that shows you won't take anything seriously. You don't want a debate, you want to put me down.
You claim you have been active in this movement for three years, and this is how they've taught you to respond to anyone who disagrees with you? Great spokes person you are. This only proves my point about the men's movement -- it's not based on maturity at all! Why should a guy try to reach an agreement with the mother of his child when it's much easier to call her a lying slut and dismiss her as being silly? Don't you see how ridiculous that is?
Then you launch into a tirade about the poor, downtrodden men being abused by the system. If you had actually read my article, you'd see that I AGREE with you -- the system is broken and it's not fair. People need to focus their efforts on trying to fix the system, not find ways to circumvent it.
For the record, this is just a website. If it really upsets you this much, you can click the back button. I can't believe how tight your knickers got wound up over this one website. You better not explore the rest of the web or you might not survive.
When you are ready to discuss this matter maturely, like an adult, and not talk to me in your "angry mommy voice" you're welcome to come back. But please try to play nice next time. Please bring some facts with you, too, since calling me a liar looks pretty silly when you can't even prove it.
My wish to you is that I honestly hope that people treat your children with more respect than you've shown to me. If I treated your children half as snottily as you've behaved towards me, you'd be going ape-shit right now. Just think of the kind of world you are creating for your children when you can't even be civil to strangers.
Good luck,
Phoena
My reply:
Pheona,
Boy, I didn't realize that someone who posted her opinion on-line and asked for feedback would get so upset over someone doing as she asked-reading and responding to her articles. Can I ask why you post them if you do not want anyone disagreeing with them?
Why did you respond to me if you didn't bother to read the letter? I was not snotty, or catty, and I certainly am not toxic, what I did was call you on your use of 'facts' upon which you formed your opinion. Your facts were not facts at all, they were half truths or selective use of examples. Not only did I disagree with you, but I took the time to carefully read what you wrote and explain WHY I disagree with you. Generally, that is known as the respectful way of debating.
You said:
"Just in the first few sentences alone, you'd already said I was silly, a liar, and oh yea, a big joke that you were laughing at. Right there that shows you won't take anything seriously. You don't want a debate, you want to put me down."
I had written:
"Your article was very selective, to say the least. You depended on half-truths and generalizations to make your points, which is very misleading for those who know little about the topic, and very silly for those of us that do know. "
What I said was that depending on half truths and generalizations was silly. I did not say you personally were silly. If you choose to take that as a personal insult it is not my problem.
"This one really made me laugh, because you have neglected to mention the most active and vocal segment of men's activists, the father's rights movement.his one really made me laugh, because you have neglected to mention the most active and vocal segment of men's activists, the father's rights movement."
What I was taking as a joke was the idea that you claim that men simply want out of responsibility, yet if you had done 5 minutes of Google search you would have found out what I just said. It made it clear to me you did not do your homework. The not doing the homework is funny, considering that you claim to "analyze everything, and weigh things logically, and then I form my opinion," but if you do not bother to gather all the information then that really isn't true. So the not doing the homework is funny, not you personally. But if you want to take that personally, again, not my problem.
Since you didn't bother to read or respond to anything I actually said, I don't know what else to say. I guess I can assume that I hit the nail on the head or you would have a riposte based on debate. Instead you are falling back on name calling and insults. I think most of your insults are projection, if you read your e-mail it is seething with sarcasm, insults, and personal jibes at my parenting skills. But if it makes you feel better to do so, I certainly do not mind. After all, it is just the internet. Just keeping it all in perspective.
Jen K