What mothers admit to.......interesting

Started by SIAM, Jun 15, 2005, 02:27 PM

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SIAM

This is the one line I hear a lot from mothers who still have their husband around the house full-time:-

"I could never destroy the relationship between our child(ren) and my husband".

I hear that a lot.  It's an admission that the cards are stacked heavily in their (mothers) favour in the event of a divorce and boy do they know it! I find that interesting - the typical mother's admission that she knows she'll never be removed from her children, notwithstanding a monumental fuck-up on her part. I see this knowledge as an incredible luxury for women.

I believe they mean it when they say "I could never destroy the relationship between our child(ren) and my husband" because I think most people could empathise with not wanting to separate a parent from a child - but my question is:

How can they quickly change from this point of view to that of somebody who in fact does destroy the relationship between children and their father? What makes them do that? Today there are hundreds of thousands of mothers who truly believe "I could never destroy the relationship between our child(ren) and my husband" but they will infact go on to destroy the relationship between their children and the children's father in the future.  It's a question of statistics and making predictions based on them, but if you took an individual mother who truly valued her family, why would she want to destroy it? Yet many who do value their family go on to destroy it.  Something I can't figure out...

Galt

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How can they quickly change from this point of view to that of somebody who in fact does destroy the relationship between children and their father? What makes them do that?


I can easily answer that: They don't mean what they say back when they are making those kinds of statements.

I've seen this again and again (yup, really).  The woman says that if she ever got a divorce, she would work at McDonalds rather than sponging off the man.  No she wouldn't.  And no they don't to the extent that they can get away with it.

The whole thing here is obvious.  Everyone (man or woman) wants other people to think that they are something or another.  Men are invested in bragging about what they are going to accomplish, women seem to be more involved in showing what caring people they are.  It may not have anything to do with reality.

That's why I just don't listen to what people *say* anymore.  You have to look at their actions over a long period, and at their actions in a period where it would be easy to go against their stated principles.

Anyone can say what they want.  And EVERYONE (or almost everyone) tries to make him or herself look good with their statements.

That's just completely obvious to me.

Galt

I'm self-employed, and I had to build up a core of clients.

I can remember back that one guy seemed very strange - hey, I'll pay you if I can - and I almost refused to take on that job.  You can set your watch by his punctuality today, over years and years (a decade or so), he's never been late in paying.

Another person swarmed about how the company pays on time.  I only took on one job, and had to sue to get some money (and never got the full amount).

Actions speak louder than words.

And that's why I'm such a dink here about the "situation".  Men don't realize that if they put themselves in a certain *situation*, then they may get drilled later on.  It just boils down to them BELIEVING what she tells him, putting her up on a pedestal and all that.

It may not be reality.

The Gonzman

What is more telling - the very statement clearly illustrates that it is well within their power to do so, and they know and understand it.  Which puts the lie to their protestations to the contrary; how can you profess to "I could never do that...." unless you knew full good and God-damn well it was within your power in the first place?

And that they don't march against it shows they have no objection to possessing that power - little insurance, dontcha know...
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the Shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the MEANEST son-of-a-bitch in the valley.

Shades of Pale

It was my wife and sister in law who got me interested in men's issues.  They do both clearly recognize the appalling power they have been given by the family courts, and actively work to change it.  Not a week goes by that they aren't on the phone and sending out mail to statesmen.   Naturally there is only so much a couple people can do, but that's one reason I come here.  To be alerted when there's something more that can be done.   Any chance that we'll have a F4J style march here anytime soon?  I know at least a couple women who want in on that.

IMHO I can't account for why a woman who recognizes how evil it would be who then turns around and actually does it.   I can only think she sees dollar signs, is a petty vindictive bitch, or became a petty vindictive bitch due to the terrible influence of other petty vindictive bitches.   Which is one reason the women I mentioned tend to avoid the company of many women...there aren't that many good ones around anymore, at least they don't think so.

woof

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How can they quickly change from this point of view to that of somebody who in fact does destroy the relationship between children and their father? What makes them do that?


I can easily answer that: They don't mean what they say back when they are making those kinds of statements.

I've seen this again and again (yup, really).  The woman says that if she ever got a divorce, she would work at McDonalds rather than sponging off the man.  No she wouldn't.  And no they don't to the extent that they can get away with it.

The whole thing here is obvious.  Everyone (man or woman) wants other people to think that they are something or another.  Men are invested in bragging about what they are going to accomplish, women seem to be more involved in showing what caring people they are.  It may not have anything to do with reality.

That's why I just don't listen to what people *say* anymore.  You have to look at their actions over a long period, and at their actions in a period where it would be easy to go against their stated principles.

Anyone can say what they want.  And EVERYONE (or almost everyone) tries to make him or herself look good with their statements.

That's just completely obvious to me.



It's taken 47 years, and a divorce to get to this point, but I totally agree with you Galt.
Even a whole village can't replace dad, children need both parents.

SIAM

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That's why I just don't listen to what people *say* anymore. You have to look at their actions over a long period, and at their actions in a period where it would be easy to go against their stated principles.


Yes, I think that's solid advice - I think the danger though in relationships is that men **want** to believe the kind and reassuring words from their wives and I've heard many say "oh my wife would never do that - she's even said it's disgusting what other women do" etc etc. It's what men want to hear.

You really only know a woman when she stands to lose something valuable - does she see the whole picture, or does she go for the "power grab"? Many women greedily sweep the chips from the table and cash them all in for themselves.

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I can remember back that one guy seemed very strange - hey, I'll pay you if I can - and I almost refused to take on that job. You can set your watch by his punctuality today, over years and years (a decade or so), he's never been late in paying.

Another person swarmed about how the company pays on time. I only took on one job, and had to sue to get some money (and never got the full amount).


Galt, I'm also self-employed, and it's true: the biggest hassle is chasing payments! I have good clients where I don't have "you must pay by...." statements on my invoices because I know they pay promptly - the trust is implicit.  Other clients I have to asterisk and highlight the due payment date because they are such false-promisers for payment.  Actions speak louder than words everytime.

Shades of Pale

You might want to ask, rather, IMHO, what is causing these women to consider divorce in the first place.  Once she'll divorce a man for no good reason, there's no reason to think she won't use every advantage she has, loathsome or not.

But why are they divorcing in the first place?   I don't worry because divorce isn't an option for us (unless she absolutely abandons God and that doesn't happen a hell of a lot) but I'd say go back a step.  If the man initiates the divorce I could see the anger and bitterness at that leading the woman to retaliate with such a grab.   And if she's immoral enough to divorce him for no reason, then there's no telling what else she'll do.  

I think you're putting the cart before the horse.

SIAM

Shades of Pale, good point....I guess these women who divorce for frivolous reasons are impersonating good women to fool their husbands - all part of the "mating game" as Galt says. Once married, they can role-play for a while - maybe actually enjoy married life for a while - but the end-game is always with herself and what she can get.  

An adult cannot control another adult's behaviour completely - so they must trust them.  With a parent/child relationship, it's different - a parent has control over a child to a much larger degree, and that's where I think women are "seduced" into having full control over their children via divorce and getting undivided love and fulfillment from them.  To them, a husband (whom they can never have full control over) can seem extraneaous to her fulfillment.  With the way family courts are in total support of mothers, it seems obvious that so many divorces are initiated by women.

the sad geek

Maybe this phenomenon exists because a lot of women don't seem to know themselves. They seem not to be self-critical. Small wonder in a culture that does not recognize feminine evil.
Alles van waarde is weerloos - Everything valuable is defenseless. (Lucebert)

Shades of Pale

Yeah I think you're both right.  Sad truths though :(

Stallywood

Quote from: "Galt"
Quote from: "IMHO"
How can they quickly change from this point of view to that of somebody who in fact does destroy the relationship between children and their father? What makes them do that?


I can easily answer that: They don't mean what they say back when they are making those kinds of statements.

I've seen this again and again (yup, really).  The woman says that if she ever got a divorce, she would work at McDonalds rather than sponging off the man.  No she wouldn't.  And no they don't to the extent that they can get away with it.

The whole thing here is obvious.  Everyone (man or woman) wants other people to think that they are something or another.  Men are invested in bragging about what they are going to accomplish, women seem to be more involved in showing what caring people they are.  It may not have anything to do with reality.

That's why I just don't listen to what people *say* anymore.  You have to look at their actions over a long period, and at their actions in a period where it would be easy to go against their stated principles.

Anyone can say what they want.  And EVERYONE (or almost everyone) tries to make him or herself look good with their statements.

That's just completely obvious to me.



You are correct....
Look at what they DO, not what they say.
Stally
Gentleman is a man who consciously serves women. I prefer the golden rule.

Behind every great man, is a
parasite.

Women who say men won't commit, usually aren't worth committing to.

Bender

The sad geek
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Maybe this phenomenon exists because a lot of women don't seem to know themselves. They seem not to be self-critical. Small wonder in a culture that does not recognize feminine evil.

We've had hundreds of years of sugar and spice and everything nice correlated with the weaker of the sexes.  And that has led to an immunity from scrutinization of motives.  Which is ironic because feminastys always lie and say that men have been the ones that have been given a free ride.  This is a falsehood that they believe that if they repeat enough will one day be true.   They keep telling it to throw off the scent of their own cunning schemes.
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Sir Percy

Much of what Femonazis and women in gerneral say are reflections of their own attitudes, projected on to others, particularly men. Much od what they say just cannot be trusted. So they will carry on about it being horrible to 'blame the victim' yet do precisely that when in a divorce situation. Blaming the victim is very familiar to most women. They do it all the time. It cannot be her fault after all.

A man, a victim?? Don't be silly. Its his fault.

A woman thinks about divorce for a long time. She does not communicate this to her husband ( 'We women are better communicators than men - why don't you talk to me') but surprises him with the decision. She knows she is breaking her vows, she knows she is wreaking huge damage to him and the children for her own selfish ends, and feels huge guilt. So she projects that guilt onto her husband, Its all his fault.

She has done wrong. She knows that and she knows that punishment is due. So she projects that on to him too. He must be punished in her place. She will find or invent any crime to convince herself that he is in the wrong. Even forgetting the anniversary day (and the exact time and the description of the dress she wor)  of the first flower he bought for her,  is a crime of epic consequence. Each addition 'misdemeanor' reinforces her view that he is baaaddd. He deserves what he gets.  He is soooooo bad that it would be remiss of her to let her children anywhere near such a bad person, so she deliberately stops him whenever and by whatever means she can (for the children's sake).

She loves hiding behind the children - it reminds her of when, as a child, she used to hide behind her mom's skirts. Its her turn now.

As to the question of why do they say "I would never ....." etc, well, that may well be their feeling at the time, what would you expect her to say - until they change their mind ( a woman's perogative, not a man's mind you).

And they know their power because they have a mental shotgun that they carry around all the time. They are obliged by the various departments of state, organisations, television, women's magazines etc to be fully aware that they have a great responsibility (to the children of course) to keep it well oiled and within easy reach. Because, unlike her, he is 'potentially' a violent rapist who is no further up the chain than any other dumb animal. She loves animals by the way, - she is so nice. The Law is the barrel, lawyers the comfortable stock, Femonazi propaganda is the sights, no-fault divorce the trigger, children more often than not are the cartridges.

Men enter a marriage without a shotgun. If he had a shotgun like hers he would be aware of it all the time too.

Add to that the fact that men love women more than women love men. Much of their interaction has been a biologically driven dance of cognitive dissonance. She continually asks him to do things for her ( 700% more often than he askes of her) and each time he complies, he loves her more (read your corolleries to Cognitive Dissonance). He bonds closer in his heart to her while she remains at a distance. He continually pursues her. He does for her most of the time.  The more a man does for a woman the more vulnerable he becomes. ( 'Men are not vulnerable enough, if only they would open up their hearts to women").

Add to that, that 'honour' is not something ones associated immediately with women. ("words mean everything to a woman').
vil, like misery, is Protean, and never greater than when committed in the name of 'right'. To commit evil when they are convinced they are doing 'good', is one of the greatest of pleasures known to a feminist.

Bender

Sir Percy,
That was so good it was like reading from the mind of one inspired by God.  I'm in awe.
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