80 fine for crying rape

Started by Graboid, Jun 25, 2005, 07:17 AM

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Graboid

At least the newspaper report has taken the right line on this one.....

You gotta love the line from Essex Police - "Taking it to court would have wasted further police time. The fixed notice was considered the most suitable and effective punishment."

Also interesting to note that a Google news search for this only pulled up two results.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005290274,00.html

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80 fine for crying rape

By JOHN TROUP


A TEENAGE girl has been let off with an 80 fixed-penalty notice for wasting police time -- after falsely accusing a man of RAPE.

Her 24-year-old "attacker" was held for 16 hours before being released on bail pending further inquiries.

But the decision not to take the 18-year-old girl to court -- and face a possible TWO YEARS jail -- provoked fury last night.

It is believed to be the first time a woman who has falsely cried rape has received one of the penalty notices -- meant for minor offences.

The girl's claim was found to be malicious after an investigation involving three doctors and two scenes of crime officers.

And HER victim, from Chelmsford, Essex, has been totally cleared.

Essex Police said: "We felt it appropriate to issue a fixed-penalty notice in this case because enough police time had already been wasted over the allegation.

"Taking it to court would have wasted further police time.

"The fixed notice was considered the most suitable and effective punishment."

Former Metropolitan Commander John O'Connor said: "I have never heard of anything like this in my life.

"The fact that this woman escaped with a fixed penalty is a disgrace. She should have been prosecuted at the very least and would have faced a maximum of two years for wasting police time."

Mr O'Connor, a former head of the Flying Squad, added: "These allegations could have ruined this man's life.

"Fixed-penalty notices are handed out for speeding or using a mobile phone at the wheel, not false allegations of rape."

Local Tory MP Simon Burns said: "Malicious allegations are reprehensible. Given the appalling impact on the accused this punishment is lenient."

Norman Brennan, of the Victims of Crime Trust, said: "This is a misuse of the fixed penalty system. A false allegation of rape is a very serious crime.

"Women who make false allegations like this deter many genuine rape victims from reporting what has happened to them.

"An appropriate sentence for this type of false allegation should be imprisonment."
I don't think I'll get married again. I'll just find a woman I don't like and give her a house." - Lewis Grizzard

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Her 24-year-old "attacker" was held for 16 hours before being released on bail pending further inquiries.


So the guy she falsely accused (the innocent person) got more jail time than the girl (the guilty person here).

Julian

http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/oxfordshire/news/TOPNEWS0.html

"Sentencing Walker, Judge McIntyre told him: "Offences of this kind are normally treated with an immediate custodial sentence."



Is this judge committing perjury based on the recent malicious rape accusation above?

LSBeene

A $120 dollar fine.  For a false allegation of rape.  WOW-what-progress-we've-made.

Should I roll over and lick my empty ball sack now, or just upon command.

She should have her tongue removed, and be given a colostomy bag (that'll kill any sexual intent of any lover - but NOT reduce her orgasms or her ability to reproduce) ...

I mean ... it's so FEW women ... right?  Only the guilty have to worry (isn't that what WE were told?) .... so what's the problem.

And don't forget a NATIONAL DATA BASE of false accusers.  Just to be sure.

We DO have to side on the side of VICTIMS ... (whoever is telling the truth) ... right?

Steven
'Watch our backs at home, we'll guard the wall over here. You can sleep safe tonight, we'll guard the door."

Isaiah 6:8
"Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"

TheManOnTheStreet

"It is believed to be the first time a woman who has falsely cried rape has received one of the penalty notices -- meant for minor offences. "

WOW!  THe first time eh?  It's a good thing that they caught her!  Wouldn't want it to happen possible a second time!



"And HER victim, from Chelmsford, Essex, has been totally cleared. "

I disagree.  He is labeled for life.  We all know what sort of stigma is attached to this sort of accusation.  He will be ALWAYS be looked upon as a rapist, period.



"Taking it to court would have wasted further police time. "

Oh, god forbid!  Wouldn't want to wast precious resources vindicating a falsely accused MAN now would we!  GESH!



"Former Metropolitan Commander John O'Connor said: "I have never heard of anything like this in my life. "

Where the eff have you been living?? Under a rock?  what a dolt!



"Women who make false allegations like this deter many genuine rape victims from reporting what has happened to them. "

And THERE it is....  not that this sort of accusation practically ruins a man's life.....  Oh the humanity!  Those poor poor victims!


EFFIN pathetic!

Al
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Conspiracy Theory

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"Women who make false allegations like this deter many genuine rape victims from reporting what has happened to them.
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Man is falsely accused and life almost ruined forever, accuser barely slapped on wrist with meanial fine and women are still the victims of this.

When , if ever, will they see men who are falsely accused of this crime ever going to be seen as victims?


I hope this guy gets some sort of compensation.
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ~ Mark Twain

Conspiracy Theory

In fact this type of situation proves much of my point when I'm here.

The cops are behind this bullshit rape hysteria.  If they started prosecuting women who make false accusations it would curb their industry down to zilch.

People might start talking about how often false accusations do happen, prosecution attornies might start telling juries that most statistics are misleading and not all guys are rapists.

Kind of puts a damper on their cashchow system of justice doesn't it?
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ~ Mark Twain

LSBeene

Quote from: "Conspiracy Theory"
In fact this type of situation proves much of my point when I'm here.

The cops are behind this bullshit rape hysteria.  If they started prosecuting women who make false accusations it would curb their industry down to zilch.

People might start talking about how often false accusations do happen, prosecution attornies might start telling juries that most statistics are misleading and not all guys are rapists.

Kind of puts a damper on their cashchow system of justice doesn't it?


CT,

I would, respectfully disagree.  The cops are paid if NO crime happens.  It's the agencies that work by VOLUME of "victims" that are behind it.  Same for DV, same for any anti-male (dominated by "Womyn's Studies" graduates) organizations that pit men against women.

Steven
'Watch our backs at home, we'll guard the wall over here. You can sleep safe tonight, we'll guard the door."

Isaiah 6:8
"Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"

contrarymary

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When , if ever, will they see men who are falsely accused of this crime ever going to be seen as victims?



Sadly, I fear that will never happen.  Attitudes are cavalier at best, but usually downright hurtful, uncaring and ignorant toward proven victims of false accusations.  

Dropped charges?  Found not guilty in a court of law?  Makes no difference to too many persons.  It seems to be human nature to only remember that someone was charged, not that he or she was cleared.   I hold the media highly culpable in this regard as well.  We are still waiting for all the articles about how T's case never went to trial.  



Ain't gonna happen.    

I was managing a store other than my own the other day, and the IDIOT pharm tech told me, right in front of customers, that he knew my fiance was the man who was in jail years ago.  He even used his last name.

Funny, you think no one remembers and then out of the blue....I had to go outside to hide a full-blown panic attack.  Sure, maybe everyone with whom I normally work KNOWS who T is, but they are not idiot enough to tell me to my face - IN FRONT OF CUSTOMERS.  After I finished crying, I went back in, pulled the shit-for-brains cretin in the stock room, and let him have it and told him if he EVER did anything like that again, I would see to it that he would be out of work for the rest of his sorry life and I'd sue the store and company for breach of HIPPA policy, since T. is a former customer of that particular store.  I think I used the word fucktard a few times as well.  It was all I could do to keep from beating the crap out of him.  (Yes, women definitely can be as violent as men.)

All in all, I handled it very badly, to say the least.  Fortunately, I think I scared him so badly he isn't going to mention it to my boss.  Since no one will hire T due to the charges, and our businesses aren't making any money, I really need this crappy job.  I should have kept my mouth shut, but it just hurt too damned much.  T is the finest man I have ever met, and I cannot deal with the calumnization and demonizing of such a wonderful man.

But that's not what is important here. T has lived with this every day of his life for years now.  It breaks my heart.    But he is so brave.... Every day, reminders of what happened.   Shunned by neighbors....If we could leave the area, we would, but the ex has his hands tied...it's a long, convuluted story.  

My heart goes out to any man (or woman) whose life has been ruined by false accusations.
quot;I can resist anything but temptation."

 Oscar Wilde

The Biscuit Queen

Cops cannot prosecute, they only can arrest. Don't blame the muscle for carrying out their job. Cops are told what to do and whom to arrest, it is the lawyers and judges who make the decisions, and they are told what to do by the public. So if we want to change things, we need to protest loud and clear the light treatment of false accusers.
he Biscuit Queen
www.thebiscuitqueen.blogspot.com

There are always two extremes....the truth lies in the middle.

contrarymary

Quote from: "The Biscuit Queen"
Cops cannot prosecute, they only can arrest. Don't blame the muscle for carrying out their job. Cops are told what to do and whom to arrest, it is the lawyers and judges who make the decisions, and they are told what to do by the public. So if we want to change things, we need to protest loud and clear the light treatment of false accusers.


BQ, with all due respect, honey, many police officers don't give a rat's ass if they arrest the right man or if the man is guilty or innocent - only that they've made their arrest.  T. was treated horribly by the arresting officers in his case.  The police and detectives are part of the problem.
quot;I can resist anything but temptation."

 Oscar Wilde

The Biscuit Queen

Yup, but as the daughter of a state trooper, you won't understand until you see it from their perspective. When you have seen the horrible things done to kids by adults, over and over, you get pretty angry. They are doing what they think is right. To them your ex did the most heinous crime on earth-prey on young children. He deserved to be treated like the scum they saw him as in their eyes.

To change the behavior you need to change how they veiw things.

Until the public changes its ideas about women being capable of lying and falsely accusing, you have a snowballs chance in hell of changing the way police operate.

Trying to deal with the details without dealing with the base problem is not effective.

I truly feel for you and T, and we do need to change the ways things are. I think promoting awareness will go further than villifying cops .
he Biscuit Queen
www.thebiscuitqueen.blogspot.com

There are always two extremes....the truth lies in the middle.

contrarymary

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He deserved to be treated like the scum they saw him as in their eyes.



I respect  your opinion, but no.  No, no and hell no.  Even Charles Manson deserves to be treated humanely.  I am trying to see things from the police persepctive, but I can't pretend to be able to do that.  Perhaps it's easier said than done to treat even confessed sex offenders with dignity.  I wouldn't know.  I must have an ego the size of Jupiter, but I'd like to think I would at least attempt to do so, but who knows?
quot;I can resist anything but temptation."

 Oscar Wilde

The Biscuit Queen

I have a hard time treating David the poet with dignity, and he didn't even mention children (I am trying hard to get over that one, I really am-give me a bit of time).

I am no saint. I know a man who sexually abused a little girl (maybe two) that I was very close to. He admitted to the one.  If I ever saw the son of a bitch he would be seriously in pain, probably right before he put me in the hospital. But he would have a hell of a fight on his hands. This was 6 years ago and God help him if I ever cross his path.  Fucking bastard.  

Police are human. I watched my dad for 20 years struggle with predudice and the nightmarish reality of being a cop. They are not perfect.

I do think that getting the damned feminists out of the police departments (end DV *training* programs) and promote awareness for false accusation would be a huge help. You are right, police *should* be completely objective and never take out their frustrations on the people in their custody. I just also know that is a tall order.


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My dad came home one day when I was older and told me about a case of Mormons. The two older  brothers had been having sex with the little sister for 5 years, and she was only 6. The cops figured it out and that girl had probably had 2000 sexual expiriences in her life, at only 6 years old. The parents tried to go to their church but were given no help. They finally went to the police. I wanted to know why the parents weren't charged, but they were charging the boys instead.   We were both livid at the thought of two teen boys going to prison for actions their parents should have been aware of and stopped. But faced with horrible situations like that I am not suprised they lose it occasionally. They need more programs to let cops vent steam safely instead of programs to build up more of it.
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Where is our magic wand to make life the way it should be? This is all so common sense, why can't the world see it?
he Biscuit Queen
www.thebiscuitqueen.blogspot.com

There are always two extremes....the truth lies in the middle.

Conspiracy Theory

I know that the police here get more funds for more arrests, not less.  That means if they arrest less people they get less funding.  If they arrest more people they get more funding.

This also does not matter about conviction rates.

I agree with all the other people accused of wrong doing and capitalizing off of this as well.

Lenin is quoted as saying "If we told everyone all capitalists were to be hung monday, they would be tripping over themselves selling rope on sunday."  I think this is fitting considering feminism is really just gender marxism.
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ~ Mark Twain

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