Men on the verge

[blackmanx]

The  men's  movement   is   small  but  growing.   We  need  to  spread  our  message.  I  have  found   this   article  that   while  a   bit  dated,  still   holds  some   valuable  information.  There  are   many  things  we  NEED  to  do  before   our  task  is  over.   We're  just  beginning.


http://www.deltabravo.net/custody/verge1.htm

[khakkrumthebulgar]

I read Warren Farrel's book "The Myth of Male Power" back in 1995.  That began my entrance into the Men's Movement.  The Problem is that Male pride fosters Independence and too many Men don't see their personal stake in progress and Social Justice for all Men is their fight for social justice as well.

They don't see how they connect to it.  They are too preoccupied with making a living, or running a business to devote time or energy to it.  Furthermore I believe that Feminists see what is coming and are trying to use disinformation tactics, as well as Divide and conquer strategies to misdirect our energies.

We are allowing the FemNags to shape the debate.  And thus far we have been unable to make inroads into public policy to improve our lives to any significant degree.  Feminism is a biological dead end and it is Flat Earth thinking but has alot of money behind it.  Women are reluctant to give up what they consider to be hard fought gains.  Feminists have persuaded Women into thinking that any compromises will reverse their rights and social progress.  This is of course absurd but Feminists have never cared about truth or social justice.

Even Women journalists now concede that Gender Feminism is about Hatred and Revenge not Social Justice or Equality.  This has been apparent for some time. Tammy Bruce a former NOW Leader of the LA Chapter has stated so in her books "The New Thought Police", & "The Death of Right And Wrong".  NOW is today a Socialist Group promoting Socialism under the disguise of Gender Feminism.  So is the Feminist Majority.  

Another issue frequently overlooked is that Gender Feminism appeals to Women on an emotional level.  Men have difficulty connecting with women on an emotional level.  Also the Media is revenue driven.  Women are the primary consumers in our culture and their ad dollars fuel the advertising of the Major media companies.  Men are not major consumers and media that appeals to Men by its very nature is revenue poor.  Therefore Advertisers are reluctant to anger their bread and butter customers.  

This may explain why our concerns get little or no press.  It is revenue based censorship by the Media companies themselves.  Mens Rights Advocates also tend to be Conservatives not Liberals.  That also minimizes our opportunities for issues to be heard.  In his book "Bias" Bernard Goldberg writes about self censorship by CBS and other media outlets about issues that may antagonize Women and lose the networks revenue dollars. So they are never discussed or aired to the public.

[Constantine]

men today only care about sports and beer and don't care about the disappearing of thier rights by the feminazi scum

[khakkrumthebulgar]

I would agree with you Constantine prior to 911. But that was prior to 911. A host of new concerns has brought Mens issues to the public and caused Men to rethink their positions.  When several hundred Emergency Personnel died in the World Trade Center it dismissed the Feminists nonsense about Strong Masculine Men not being needed. And the Women of America Knew it. When the Wolf is at the door, who do you want?  An Sensitive Alan Alda with a medical Bag, or a Masculine Tough Warrior who will shot the Wolf and turn it into an area rug?  

Our culture is in a war for all the chips. Despite the disinformation from our brain dead media. We are facing a determined foe with tens of millions of devote followers prepared to sacrifice their own children to kill us.  That's right kill their own children to kill us.  Theo Van Gogh's killer stated that Mr. Van Gogh deserved death, he was an infidel and that he would do it again given the chance.  

Men are in a position to renegotiate the deal with respect to our Gender interactions. And 911 will not be the last attack on our soil due to Al-Queda.  With thousands of tactical Nukes, Dr. Muhammed Khan floating around selling his expertise. When Al-Queda gets a nuke all bets are off.  
We could see 800,000 dead, and 2.4 million seriously wounded.  They only have to get through once. We must not miss 100% of the time.

[Mater Domina]

men today only care about sports and beer and don't care about the disappearing of thier rights by the feminazi scum

I can't really say anything bad about the men's or father's movement because I don't know what their goals or beliefs are but for you to call feminists "feminazi scum" shows that you don't know much about real feminists.  I don't know about the men's movement and what they are trying to do but I know feminists are not trying to make men's rights disappear, they are just trying to establish their own rights.  Hopefully the men's movement also seeks to end sexism and not encourage it.

When you think about sexism, think of racism because then you will see the urgency in equal rights.  It not saying they are they same and have many differences but one thing they have in comman is oppression and a passive existance in life.

[dr e]

Mater Domina said:

I can't really say anything bad about the men's or father's movement because I don't know what their goals or beliefs are but for you to call feminists "feminazi scum" shows that you don't know much about real feminists. I don't know about the men's movement and what they are trying to do but I know feminists are not trying to make men's rights disappear, they are just trying to establish their own rights. Hopefully the men's movement also seeks to end sexism and not encourage it.

Please tell us what "rights" the feminists are trying to establish?

[TheManOnTheStreet]

The right to dominate men, silly!


:-)

Al

[Mater Domina]

Mater Domina said:

I can't really say anything bad about the men's or father's movement because I don't know what their goals or beliefs are but for you to call feminists "feminazi scum" shows that you don't know much about real feminists. I don't know about the men's movement and what they are trying to do but I know feminists are not trying to make men's rights disappear, they are just trying to establish their own rights. Hopefully the men's movement also seeks to end sexism and not encourage it.

Please tell us what "rights" the feminists are trying to establish?

Well, the rights women are trying to establish depends on the times.  In the past, women tried to gets rights not to be buried alive with their husbands when he died, to be heard in government and be a real citizen, the right to vote, the right to get equal pay and not be descriminated against based on sex, the right for equal opportunity in education and promotion practices and many other rights feminists sought to gain.  Ofcourse times has changes and outright archaic displays of sexism is socially disgareeable but the prescribed charcteristics for each sex are very much still ineffect and are actually rewarded.

[Mater Domina]

The right to dominate men, silly!


:-)

Al

When I hear some men talk about feminism or even women's rights in general, they sound like racist white people that were angry that blacks wanted equal rights and could not fathom a black men being equal to a white men.  Racist whites also thought that because blacks wanted equal rights, their rights were disappearing and that blacks want to dominate.  Very similiar to some men that feel their rights are disappearing and are being dominated by women that want equal rights.  

[dr e]

Mater Domina said:  

Well, the rights women are trying to establish depends on the times. In the past, women tried to gets rights not to be buried alive with their husbands when he died, to be heard in government and be a real citizen, the right to vote, the right to get equal pay and not be descriminated against based on sex, the right for equal opportunity in education and promotion practices and many other rights feminists sought to gain. Ofcourse times has changes and outright archaic displays of sexism is socially disgareeable but the prescribed charcteristics for each sex are very much still ineffect and are actually rewarded.

Right.  So are there any "rights" that women don't have in the United States today?

[Ivar]

They can't go and see the Olympics.


Oh, wait, that was Ancient Greece, pardon me.

[TheManOnTheStreet]

The right to dominate men, silly!


:-)

Al

When I hear some men talk about feminism or even women's rights in general, they sound like racist white people that were angry that blacks wanted equal rights and could not fathom a black men being equal to a white men.  Racist whites also thought that because blacks wanted equal rights, their rights were disappearing and that blacks want to dominate.  Very similiar to some men that feel their rights are disappearing and are being dominated by women that want equal rights.  

First off, it was a tongue in cheek comment... and secondly, get the hell off the racial crap will ya?  This is a MENS site about MENS issues, or if you would prefer it is a GENDER issues site....

I say this because every darned post you make has something about race in it....

Gesh!  get a funny bone will ya?

[dr e]

You haven't answered my question Mater Domina.  What rights are women still fighting for in the USA?  Can you point to any discrimination against women in the USA?

[Mater Domina]

You haven't answered my question Mater Domina.  What rights are women still fighting for in the USA?  Can you point to any discrimination against women in the USA?

Well, keep in mind that feminism has existed for quite a long time and has attained many of the rights I mentioned and other opportunities that shows feminism wasn't a complete failure as some of you suggest. Also know that just because most or all rights are gained doesn't mean sexist attitudes don't continue to prevail, look at racism. There are ways women are discriminated against in recent times in america such as unfair hiring and promotion practices.  Woman of child bearing age are screened and reluctantly hired because of companies wanting to avoid maternity leave costs.  Women are also promoted less often to executive positions and are often paid less for the same type of work.  I know some people may disagree but when you look at the practices in lots of companies from past to present, most shared these attitudes and still do.  Women are also relegated to lower skilled positions which often hinder career development.  Some get past that "glass ceiling" but most will maintain that same underpaid position forever especially when race is factored in.  Women are still expected to behave in a manner that is socially agreeable to gain respect and not based on who they are individually and women are expected to perform certain domestic duties and and have the characterics society says it values in a women and not her own strengths and weakness. Double standards regarding sexuality are still socially enforced and men are also expected to behave a certain way as well so I'm not saying it doesn't go both ways.  

So sexism still exists, it just takes on different forms and intensity.  The goal of feminism is to end sexism but it is not the only issue that our community faces nor is it the only issue feminists are concerned with.  Most forms of prejudice work hand and hand perpetuating eachother. Just my view ofcourse

[Mater Domina]

The right to dominate men, silly!


:-)

Al

When I hear some men talk about feminism or even women's rights in general, they sound like racist white people that were angry that blacks wanted equal rights and could not fathom a black men being equal to a white men.  Racist whites also thought that because blacks wanted equal rights, their rights were disappearing and that blacks want to dominate.  Very similiar to some men that feel their rights are disappearing and are being dominated by women that want equal rights.  

First off, it was a tongue in cheek comment... and secondly, get the hell off the racial crap will ya?  This is a MENS site about MENS issues, or if you would prefer it is a GENDER issues site....

I say this because every darned post you make has something about race in it....

Gesh!  get a funny bone will ya?

Well, I bring up race because some people see women's issues as trivial and counter effective.  Most people today have some understanding of racism and how it has affected the lives of people so discussing it when learning about feminism will help some realize the way anytype of facism hurts and hinders people historically regardless to if it was based on race, ethnicity or sex.  As for the site, I read over lots of posts advocating the mens movement and men's right but the name of this forum is "History and politics" so all issues therein should be discussed including all civil rights movements because its apart of history and politics.  

Also when it comes to racism especially or even sexism theirs nothing funny but i do see alot of issues and it is visble by all the anti-feminism rhetoric I've read so far.  But I like too laugh too see dr evil